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Honda Cub e Electric Bicycle (China)

dmonkey

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Per the press release it meets the electric bicycle classification (note the pedals) in China and is targeted at the Gen Z demographic. Not a Super Cub replacement, and one step below an electric moped. If any one of those three models were to make their way to the USA I could picture them next to the Super73 ebikes that are popular with Zoomers here.

I wonder how long until we see photos of one painted red and with mountain bike tires on it 🤔

What are your thoughts?
 

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Having rode an expensive e-bike they are a lot of fun, but I would never buy one. There is definitely an audience for these, and I know some people that really like them, but they are certainly not for me.

From my perspective an e-bike is less capable than a motorcycle, and can be more expensive. It's more capable than a normal bicycle, but frowned upon for Mountain Biking so you can't really use it for that either. They just occupy a weird space.

For example my friend bought an e-bike for $2500 that goes 25 mph, while a much more capable, reliable, and street legal Honda Navi is $1807. It goes 55 (in theory). I just don't get paying more to get a less capable machine.
 

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Those are good points. I have been tempted by the Sur-Ron many times because it's a blast to ride on trails, but it falls into the gray area of not being street legal or being permitted on MTB trails. I'd have to haul it to OHV trails like a dirtbike, at that point I'd rather just ride my CT125 to the OHV trail instead, which is what I do. None of those Honda electric bicycles look MTB trail capable to me, but I'm sure in the right hands someone could prove that wrong same as people push the envelope on what the CT125 is capable of.

At a price of ~$900 USD and fitting the classification of being an electric bicycle, these Honda electric bicycles would be more affordable to own and operate than a "motorbike" in China. Cheaper registration, no insurance requirement, and perhaps most importantly no driver's license requirement since it's uncommon for city dwellers in China to have a driver's license, especially young adults.

In the USA you really have to be in the right place and with the right weather or gear to make use of an ebike or bicycle for practical transportation. It's mostly major cities, college towns, coastal areas, and the rare rural walkable communities that are most accommodating.

I test rode the Navi last year and think it would be hard to justify against the cost of something like a 50cc Genuine Scooter. Similar capability and MSRP, but 50cc or less displacement qualifies as a moped or low-power scooter in many states making it cheaper to register and insure. Similar sluggishness and cheap feel all around. I think Honda only brought the Navi to the USA to squeeze some extra $ out of an old design in one of the few countries where it still meets emissions requirements. IMO at nearly double the MSRP, the Grom is worth every bit of the price difference and would be my cheapest pick for an entry level motorcycle. It certainly is hard to justify a less capable machine, unless you're on a very strict budget.

My latest ebike is a Lectric XP 3.0 that is ridden on bicycle paths for leisure and a bit of exercise. It looks dorky to me, but it's enjoyable to ride, it's practical to transport and store since it's a folding bike, it's equipped with rear pegs and a pillion seat so I can give rides to munchkin sized family members, and the pillion seat comes off without tools so the rear rack can be used for cargo. I like the look of the Dax e, nostalgia is a very powerful feeling. If it were available in the USA I'd likely end up buying it and riding it a few times before stashing it with the rest of my neglected bicycles that aren't as practical as the dorky bike.

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In the USA you really have to be in the right place and with the right weather or gear to make use of an ebike or bicycle for practical transportation. It's mostly major cities, college towns, coastal areas, and the rare rural walkable communities that are most accommodating.
I think this is spot on the money. Things just have to be close enough to make it reasonable, with enough "negative infrastructure" to make it more reasonable than just driving. For example, where I live, I have a U-Shaped profile commute by bicycle. Down a hill, flat, then up a hill. However, my equivalent car commute is a huge pain in the ass; terrible traffic, slow surface streets, somewhat high risk and tons of roadworks - the infrastructure makes it miserable. No parking at your destination, such as what I often find with Edmonds, WA, is another example of negative infrastructure.

I don't think these will do that well, because they're not quite competing in the space they need to be. Objectively speaking unless they're modified for the US market they're a Class 1 eBike that can't be put inside another vehicle easily, and also wouldn't be accepted on bicycle trails. You're looking at a product seeking a market, not a market seeking a product.

Places they'd do well are the same places they'd do well to legalize using golf carts to do the same task, because golf carts have roughly the same speed limit and the same "you can't put this vehicle inside another vehicle" mentality. So if you look around and think, "I could easily use a golf cart to do all my tasks" then this is a vehicle for you. As an example of why this is competing in the wrong segment even though it would meet the golf cart statement is again Edmonds, WA where there's no parking nearby - if I had a Lectric bicycle, that opens the possibility of me parking 2+ miles away, bicycling in, doing my activities, then bicycling back to the car. You can't do that with the eCub, unless you actually live in Edmonds, at which point you're rich enough that you're buying a CT125.

It also doesn't solve the market segments of last mile delivery, food delivery, or courier work, which are all spaces the existing products compete in. MAYBE it's a reasonable pit bike or CT90 alternative.

The one thing they've nailed is the price. It's absolutely spot on for where it needs to be. If the charging and accessories stories (lighting, built in storage, etc.) are all in place it could be a good package deal for that price.
 
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