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Cracked Rear Rack bracket

m in sc

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um, no. it's steel and force is force. it's not cast pot metal(that typically refers to zinc). don't blame the bike. I own over a dozen bikes, most over 50 yrs old this would have happened on them as well if the same thing was done.
 

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Not a Honda issue, but there is certainly an issue of 3rd party companies making side brackets that attach to that toolbox mount without other attachment points, and CT125 owners seeing that may presume it's sturdier than it actually is.
 

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Anyone else had their rear rack bracket (that originally holds the tool box) crack at the bolts on them? My 2022 Trail with 2K miles had this break from normal street commuting. My warranty just ended and the dealer won’t replace. Definitely surprised this cracked from vibration. Picture added.
Hey, actually got same setup!
Suggestions & ideas from Kritou (!), oldschool, dmonkey, m in sc … me agree with thee, think it’s small, repetitive flexing concentrated at factory rack piece where it cracked.

So Varoom, that bracket you and I both bought to attach the sub tank+strap+hardware (sold via eBay, Webike Japan, etc.) is a pretty hefty chunk at 4mm thick steel with a full edge angle leg, and it's pretty inflexible in its role; side-to-side motion of the assembly gets relayed to the thin section of the factory rack bracket, which itself then plays the role of fulcrum as the whole mass jitters left-right.
Probable forcing function behind the left-right jittering: sub tank/strap/hardware C.G. doesn’t hang directly beneath the factory bracket, but instead the mass's center is about ¾” or so left, cantilevered toward the outside. Riding/rolling along, normal vertical bumps cause the left-cantilevered mass to bounce and flex inward (small amplitude, invisible oscillations). Eventually the metal fatigues and fails in the spot where it’s getting stained cyclically.
It's not Honda's fault or a defect IMHO; their little factory plasti-toolbox hangs on-center with its mounts' locations, and it probably doesn't matter how much weight's in it; it still wouldn't crack that bracket because it hangs pretty much vertical under its C.O.G. and so doesn't oscillate. In your own case, Varoom, if they knew the sub-tank kit was mounted the way it's been done, even if the bike was still under warranty, Honda may not cover it anyway. IMO, if there's a 3rd party fault it might be MINIMOTO for selling folks brackets with insufficient DFUs that introduces the opportunity for the problem.

When mounting the MINIMOTO bracket, I offset it inward as far as possible (about ¾”) and turned it around backwards (drilled holes in different spots to accommodate tank strap) so that the angled edge faced rearward and allowed it to contact (be supported by) the rear fender more closely. The fender appears to be quite strong and it’s also reinforced from the inside via a separate rigid plastic structure. This method accomplished two things: a) locates the C.G. closer vertically beneath the Honda rack bracket’s mounts, and b) prevents/dampens things from oscillating because it’s supported by the rear fender itself. I doubt lateral loads on the fender will cause damage, but I'm keeping a close eye. See pic (BTW my rack is black and so looks different, maybe a little hard to recognize features).
Now this introduces a rubbing/contact spot on the fender, so I fastened a thick piece of protective PE film there (replacing it w/Delrin piece later), and also smoothed/buffed the bracket’s edge along there so it won’t chaff-cut over time. It’s seems pretty tight and stable, but time will tell.
Wish I could claim credit for any foresight, but to be honest it’s actually hind-site from several past similar situations - others' as well as my own (what can I say, I’m getting old but can still remember my screw-ups). Maybe this time I learned…maybe I only think I did, we’ll see!
Oh, BTW all bets are off on the C.G. hanging in the right place when riding with the sub tank fueled - then it'll be depending on the fender to support the cantilevered load from oscillating too much.
 

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even if you made a small bracket from under the rack mount in the pic to the back about midway down the can bracket would be a huge improvement, even on the 'outside' mount method. use 1/2" wide steel 1/8" thick and bend it . use the back of the top can mount and id trust that even w fuel in it. put a small return on the brace and even better.

here, i hijacked your pic to poorly illustrate this.
 

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I thought that Mr. Hibari might be able to provide more information, but when I watch his video on the subject, I see that he is using a different rear rack. Is he using the same mounting bracket that you used? You could ask him anyway if he as seen cracks in his rear rack mounting point. That would be on different steel than OEM:
 

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Is he using the same mounting bracket that you used?
Nice! Thanks for the video - quite interesting, and he does meticulous work. That restoration turned out great, especially the color match on the bike.
Yes, that's the same Minimoto mount bracket we have. Noticed Mr. Hibari bolted it on backwards at first, but then turned it around properly.
With that different style rear rack you pointed out, fatigue/cracking may or may not be an issue. Its mounting bosses appear to be sturdier than our stock rack's bracket. Nevertheless, a 3/4" inward offset helps considerably with positioning the tank's weight centered under the bolts & bracket that support it, with and without fuel.
Another benefit of the offset: I didn't care for the tank hanging outward beyond the rack itself, it just stuck out too far. With the offset it's about flush with the rack's outline, looks nicer and doesn't get in the way.
Wonder if in Kitaco or someone have any plans to create a similar canteen-style tank & strap-latch for the CT125. Imagine they'd sell pretty well, and for far less than sellers are fetching for a vintage Ct90 or CT110 setup.
 

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I asked Mr. Hibari to have a look at this thread. He isn't a member here, so I don't know if he will comment or not.
 
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