Limit Reached - Electric Motorcycle Range excuses

Kev250R said:

Yeah, it's rare that I see them in my area too, which I find a bit odd since I live in a College Town and there is a Zero Dealer 10 Mins from me. Honestly, I think it's the price which keeps a lot of people away from them as I see lots of College kids zipping around on cheap electric Scooters.

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Initial price and fear of replacement battery cost and just how long those batteries remain viable are the things that hold them back more than range IMO. Battery technology has come a long way in the last ten years. Who knows what we will see in the next ten.

I retired from big oil. You can guess my lean.
Fu@k electric.

fmdualexhaust said:

I retired from big oil. You can guess my lean.
Fu@k electric.

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I am certified oil field trash, just shy of 40 years offshore, but I don't wear blinders. Government push absolutely not. Let the technologies develop without big brother and let the cards fall where they fall. EVs may not be a fit for some or most. There is a retired fella in my subdivision that has an older Leaf with tired batteries. He uses it for his close range chore runner. He also has a big comfortable gas hawg he uses when he travels far. The money he save on fuel with his silly little leaf more than pays for his gas when he hits the road in his boat. He is happy, works for him.

petrochem isn't going anywhere soon, there's too much capital investment in it and growth of infrastructure. that being said, elec and hybrid is def going to be a big player for the 'everage citizen' doing short commutes. leaves more for us, and im ok w that.

I like dino juice so much i burn 2 types at the same time on my other bikes. I also dont give 2 shits about fuel mileage on the bikes, compared to most.

yesterday:




you can appreciate both though, doesn't have to be all or nothing. .02

I rode a host of electric bikes when there was the seemingly big push a few years back. Did quite a few miles on a Brammo. Also rode the concept Harley Livewire and an Energica Ego.
If I could've justified the expense I would have one now for my commute, it's not a long commute at all and one charge would last me for quite some time, unless I took a deliberately long way home.
I would absolutely not own one for weekend pleasure, I don't want to be restricted on how far I can go or how I need to ride it when it's on "my time."
The range would absolutely be a problem then, as I experienced first hand with the Brammo when I ran out of juice 5 miles from home and needed a truck to come get me.
I liked the Harley concept with the exception of the goofy mirrors they had on there, but how in the heck did they think they were gonna sell 'em for $25k!?!
The Energica was rapid but so so so damn heavy.
Brammo was a good compromise between 'em all but they vanished through various acquisitions.

The forced narrative of electric everything being the way forward with vehicles, heat pumps etc is all bullshit IMO, lobbyists managing to line someone's pocket enough to further their corporate goals. The horrendous toll the battery mfg'ing will take on the Earth aside, if we have an infrastructure that already can't handle people's electric consumption on an extreme hot or cold day, how in the flying F is that infrastructure going to handle all the electric cars they want to push on people? For all the infrastructure bill shite we've seen touted I don't suddenly see an all new electric grid coming along. *end rant*

dmonkey said:

My opinion is that the current limitations seem clear and electric motorcycles are very far from competing with gas ones on price, range, or recharge rate. People who buy an electric street motorcycle are likely buying it specifically because they want an electric motorcycle to the point that they're willing to pay a lot for it and accept the limitations in favor of the EV appeal and uniqueness.

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m in sc said:

that being said, elec and hybrid is def going to be a big player for the 'everage citizen' doing short commutes. leaves more for us, and im ok w that.

you can appreciate both though, doesn't have to be all or nothing. .02

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As an EUC rider, an eBike rider, a motorcyclist, and a bunch of other things according to the other drivers that sound a lot like "anker", "basshole", "gideot" which are strange American terms I've never heard of, I think this nails it for me.

It's very, very expensive for what you get. That's the biggest thing for me. With modern charging systems and adequate support - as a daily commuter / runabout? An electric moto really ticks almost all the boxes. It's generally fast, it's got the torque for the hills, it's nearly maintenance free, and it's quiet. And I know this because I have a car, a CT125 and... a 48 mph capable electric unicycle (EUC).

The big problem for me is: cold weather, fat rider. Those ratings are often given for light riders, under non-BRAAAAAAAAP behavior, of which I am neither. And the battery range is shot in cold weather. Ang from SomeGuyRides took a ZeroFX out at one point and had similar feedback; solve the range issue (e.g. swap stations for batteries, mid-ride charging) and lower the cost, and you've got something amazing.

The other problem that's specific to me? EUCs exist. If I want that level of performance, at a much more competitive price point, I can buy an EUC because I know how to ride one. A Veteran Sherman S can achieve most of the same results, with more range, for less cost, no need to license or insure it, and it is more compact for storage. I sacrifice a little acceleration and speed, but for a few thousand dollars that I'll partially recoup over time, I will accept that in the same way I accept my CT125 is not a S1000RR.