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HONDA CT125 Big Bore Kit

m in sc

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watched the whole video. here's what i think happened. i think they were gapped too far, and you were getting blow by, and then pumped allt he oil out of the motor. i would guess the exhaust pipe was oily. i think the cyl is actually ok. you can get a ball hone and clean it up. make sure you clean it with brake cleaner.

bottom end is probably just fine. but yes, rise it out. mineral spirits are good for that.

the melted section at the top on the intake side is interesting. its def melted. But, it doesn't look to be a lean blow up. If you look under the piston dome, a lean blowup will show a bright white or ashy color to the aluminum, that's from heat at the dome that can be caused by lean or detonation. the tiny bit i could see looked dark, so that's good. pretty sure it got hot due to lack of oil and blowby, expanded, and caused the seizure. where are your afrs sitting? they need to be int he 13~13.5 range, 12~12.5 at wot.

as many motors and pistons as i have killed over the past 3 decades, that leads me to beleive thats what you are dealing with. Ive blown up lots of 2 strokes due to timing, and air leak lean conditions, IMHO, thats not it.

I would think you can hone the cyl, get a new piston and rings, probably a new small end bearing, and put it back together. put at least 50-60 miles on it before going wot.

as far as the piston hitting the plug, i'm running a slightly shorter plug in mine. its an old grom one i had, lower heat range but its shorter, don't have the number handy but i can get it.

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Awesome, thank you. I think you are correct. I went ahead and just ordered an entirely new piston and cylinder from Yuminashi since it was so inexpensive and I got 10% off as well. BTW I saw 68 mph and an average of around 63-64 mph on the 164cc without tucking before it ran out of oil. I really don't need that much speed so I will probably connect up the original air box. Hoping to average 60 mph which seems doable once the new kit is installed. I will have to build a new map for that configuration.
 

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I've read through this tread a few times (it's great!) and I'd appreciate the brain trust's take on my fat-guy-on-hills-at-altitude power plan. Am I missing something? Is there a better part choice?
Yuminashi 143cc

238 Cam

Exhaust

Airbox

Injector


Efie (no idea on this one)

Get an AFR as well - buyer's choice
 
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looks right. just remember to wire the efie device in in 'reverse' in regards to the 02 sensor and the ecm.
 

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looks right. just remember to wire the efie device in in 'reverse' in regards to the 02 sensor and the ecm.
Is the Efie necessary, or a "nice to have"? It seems like adding an AFR would make sense given reading plugs is an inexact approach to watching AFR.
 

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I wouldn't run w out it. stock is going and does target 14~14.7. I have an afr I set mine up with its targeting in the 13-13.5.
 

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I wouldn't run w out it. stock is going and does target 14~14.7. I have an afr I set mine up with its targeting in the 13-13.5.
Gotcha. I'm a 12.5-.13.5 AFR guy myself. 14.5 is for people tuning somebody else's engine.
 

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understand completely. on the 125 i had it richer but didn't seem to help, at all, or hurt anything, so landed in the 13's. in my cb1100 yeah, at wot its in the 12-12.5 on the power commander. keep in mind, its around 40-50 miles on average for the ecm to 'learn' enough where it wont go super lean. But it does learn. the -one- good thing about the trail ecm is its always in closed loop. (got that verified from DHM & MNNTBX)
 

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Would love your thoughts . . . I think I burned up my third piston in less than 2 weeks. I diligently followed all of the requirements laid out in Takegawa's instructions for their Hyper e-Stage 143cc BBK. Pieced together corrected maps (or used Takegawas direct maps for configuration) and using mainly Takegawa components aside from the two lastest burned up pistons in the 164cc configurations. One thing that has me thinking I am running lean at WOT @ over 60 mph, all three pistons failed in this range. Also broke the three pistons in properly and broke them properly too! The one glaring issue compared to what everyone else on the board is doing, no upgraded fuel injector. Takegawa very clearly states that only once you go to 181cc + Big Throttle + Exhaust + Pod Air filter do you need to upgrade the injector. Take away the air filter on the 181cc kit and no upgraded FI required. Am I just cooking these poor pistons?
 

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oh well yeah, you need an injector. that didnt come with the kit??? you're maxing out the duty cycle for sure. i upgraded the injector just running a cam on the 125.
 

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Drawing on experience with modifying cars I cannot believe a bigger Injector isn't needed going from 125cc to 164cc. An Injector is cheap and at worst it'll run rich if the map isn't right. However, with tuning I assume it's simple to reduce the fuel flow?
 

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^ exactly. you can run a dead stock 125 on a pcx injector, have seen it done. it will adjust to where it needs to be. if you run TOO big an injector is cant trim down enough to run smooth, but the 150 injector on a 164 will usually never exceed 70% duty cycle, i ran one in my grom with a 164, exhaust, big cam and ported big valve head w 30mm TB. I didnt have to go to a bigger injector than that until i went 170cc 4v with a 34mm tb and a really huge exhaust, and that was to support 10k+ rpms.
 

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for shits and giggles i threw in a large '10 hole' injector this morning. I have no idea what the flow rate is but its pretty juicy. (i had it laying around). when i was playing with the grom i know i ran this briefly, then went on to a different one on the 4v head.

I didn't ride the bike in to work, but did fire it up and get it idling for a while. it was stupid rich for about 2 mins then started settling down. went up and downt he street on it and it was ok but then again, it will need time to learn. But, it will idle and seems to be ok at 'down low' rpms which means it should be ok everywhere above it. I'll do some test riding/adjusting probably in the next day or so, see how it is. just to experiment, see if its any better up top.

I mean, injectors are cheap as dirt, especially on yuminashis site, id def upgrade at least to a larger one with any intake/exhaust mod.

cant comment on the JDM ones but i would doubt its notably different.
 

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Can anyone decipher if the JDM model comes with a bigger injector? https://www.honda.co.jp/CT125/spec/
There's no mention of the injector specs on that page, but the Japanese 2020-2022 model years CT125 parts fiche lists the same injector as the USA and Thai markets: 16450-K60-T71
Some of the other Honda minimoto models with the updated Euro5 125cc use the same injector as well, so if the current 2023+ JP CT125 does have a different injector, as @m in sc says it's likely not much different.
 
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