Key Code Location on Honda Trail 125 2021?

[seansess]

Hi,

I want to first preface this by admitting I'm an idiot and I should have made a copy of my keys the second I lost my first key.

So yeah, I lost both of my keys to my CT125....I called my dealer and they don't have the key code.

According to the person I talked to at the dealership it looks like my only next step here is to replace the entire ignition key setup...

That's a lot of money. Their estimate was around $633....

All I need is the key code to make a copy though!!! Does anyone know a cost effective work around for me to find the key code? I know my way around a bike but as the bike needs special tools for replacing the key ignition system I'd rather save myself a weekend and pay the $600....

But there's got to be a better way. Open to all suggestions. Also if anyone knows how to even get to the key ignition system to get a peak at the key code I would be open to that. Maybe someone knows about the key code on another part of the bike!? Anyways, thanks in advance for even reading about my current plight.

p.s. I have a picture of the key but as it is laser cut locksmiths have told me that a picture is not enough either

 

[dmonkey]

Ask them for a copy of Honda's Pre-Delivery Inspection checklist for your motorcycle. That is where they should have recorded it.

I don't think you'll find the 4 character code anywhere on the bike, I've looked at the ignition and not seen it without removing the ignition.

 

[seansess]

Ask them for a copy of Honda's Pre-Delivery Inspection checklist for your motorcycle. That is where they should have recorded it.

I don't think you'll find the 4 character code anywhere on the bike, I've looked at the ignition and not seen it without removing the ignition.

I spoke with the dealership I bought the bike with directly and they said they did not have the key code at all…the employee at the time did not record the key code. I’ll try them a 3rd time to get the PDI but I’m pretty sure they would have told me it…really mad about that and kind of feel like they should have some recompense for such a failure but again…I should not have lost my keys to begin with.

 

[SneakyDingo]

The only other option I can think of is speaking to Honda Customer service. To be honest though, as someone with two blanks ready to cut, I am yet to find a Honda Dealer that would actually cut the keys for me. I have had zero luck in multiple states finding someone that will do the work.

 

[oldskool]

One thing is certain, as soon as you speed the $633 the two keys will show up in your sock drawer I wrote that code down in my service log. I don't lose keys but they go missing for weeks sometimes 

 

[dmonkey]

For potentially replacing the ignition cylinder yourself, you can find a service manual in this thread. You might end up removing everything necessary to pull the fork top bridge so you can remove that with the lock cylinder attached for easy access to the bottom of it. The ignition cylinder is installed with 2 one-way security bolts.
Here is a photo of the left side one on the CT125. It's the silver fastener that you can see the button head of. For some perspective reference, this is looking up at the bottom of the ignition switch, the red tab is one that holds the headlamp triangle brackets in place, and the plastic cylinder with the wire coming out of it is a USB outlet accessory installed in the meter stay plate.


HONDA 90107-MBG-000 BOLT, ONE-WAY (8MM)

You can use a screw extractor to remove those bolts. Once you have it out, it would be worth disassembling the igntion switch further and looking for a key code on it, you never know. You won't have the correct tool to install the new one-way bolts, but it's a theft deterrent, not theft prevention, so using something like security torx screws would be better than just using allen screws in that the bits for them are still readily available but not in every "mechanic's tool set" that many people have on hand. Another issue you might encounter is getting the ignition and seat release lock cylinders keyed alike. Might need to order the parts through a dealership to get that as a bundle. If you can get the lock cylinders removed, they might be able to be rekeyed - but you'll likely have a hard time finding someone to do that. I keyed my Japanese market locking side box's lock cylinder to match my original key, it came with a kit for doing that and used less wafers than what the ignition lock likely uses based on how many cut positions there are on the key.

Honda's P/N for the CT125 key blank is: 35121-K0F-T01 , it's the same one for the Monkey.

The Honda high security motorcycle keys have a keyway groove down the center of each side which sets them apart from the Honda high security car keys. It's disappointing, but a laser doesn't cut the keys, they're milled. Laser cut keys are also known as sidewinder keys which might be worth knowing if you're talking to a locksmith and trying to find out if they have the equipment to cut a key.

Here's some info I was able to pull up on a sample key code, with the actual decoded key cuts redacted. I didn't validate the blanks listed here. The differences are likely bows (handles) and some might come with a HISS (Honda Ignition Security System) chip that isn't used by the CT125. If you search the part numbers you will find other keys that interchange such as ILCO and even other Honda OEM part numbers.

Key blanks
Honda: 35121-MGP-D63 (Carmo HISS key with a chip)
Jet (acquired by Keyline): HD117-PH
Silca: HON77TE

 

[m in sc]

where is your original deal jacket? they should have handed that to you

 

[vintagegarage]

The key code was on a tag on your master key ring. Also, don't forget that the same key works the seat release. It might be easier to remove the seat lock and take it and a key blank to an experienced locksmith. Key blanks are easy to get from your local Honda parts counter. The locksmith should be able to pick the lock (or disassemble it to see what number are on each of the tumblers), and may be able to deduce the necessary cuts and mill you a key using your blank. I have also been unable to find any Honda dealer who can make a key, based on the key code alone.

 

[fmdualexhaust]

Well the bright side to this is I just wrote my key code in the repair manual.
Thanks.

 

[m in sc]

usually in the deal jacket (envelope, whatever they handed you) is the key tag w the ID number on it. they don't keep it on file to keep theft down. ever seen gone in 60 seconds? there was some truth to that scam at dealers. it was factory attached to the key, just fyi. I'd look in there before ripping shit apart.

 

[jlars]

I had a new key cut. Ordered the blank from local dealer and took it to the ace hardware down the road. They had to call the dealer to make sure it was an oem key blank. Something about knockoff blanks might dull their cutter.
I don’t think the number would help you because nobody has a cutter that works off numbers. Need a physical key to copy. Found my missing key a few weeks later in a jacket pocket…

 

[dmonkey]

It's common for people to want a stronger key if their original one breaks in the cylinder and needs to be retrieved, that's likely what they were trying to avoid cutting.

 

[m in sc]

they absolutely use a key code to cut new keys, especially like these.

High Security Key For A 2021-2023 Honda Trail CT125 Motorcycle Cut To Your Key Code

We sell new car locks, car keys, motorcycle keys and car remotes

www.carlocksandkeys.com

in the vintage market, thats all you typically want to use since original keys are worn. when i got my 87 TZR the 1st thing i did was get the code off the lock cyl and get 2 spares made.

 

[jlars]

Nobody in my area has a fancy machine that can cut a Honda key by a code. I asked around and they kind of laughed. The hardware stores aren’t going to invest in a cnc computerized machine for a couple keys a year. They charged me 3.00 to make a copy on the manual grinder. Waited 10 min for them to make it.

 

[dmonkey]

You're right, hardware stores usually focus on residential locks and padlocks. Locksmiths who work on modern cars with high security locks are the ones who typically have machines that can cut sidewinder keys, and they often have the key code software necessary to decode the key code to the bitting (cuts) and vice versa. I would not expect them to stock blanks for Honda motorcycles, or have a pick and decoder (Lishi HON77) on hand for it. Honda Powersports dealers aren't likely to have that equipment on-site either. I know the shop I bought my Honda CT125 from sends out for key cutting. If you're going to have any lock decoded by picking, start with the ignition. Accessory, seat release, gas cap, etc locks often utilize less tumblers.

 

[m in sc]

pull the cyl, get the code, order a pair online. ive done this plenty of times.

 

[Farmer Mike]

So this seems to be a common issue. Just took possession of my new bike, and after reading this decided I better record my key code... not on either key they gave me, not on a single piece of paper anywhere that I can find in the packet... simply don't have it. Both keys came with a dealer stock stock number tag... looks like I'm gonna have to hassle with them.

 

[dmonkey]

If there's a tag with a barcode and A### or B### on either key, that's the key code. Here's an example of one from an eBay listing...

HONDA IGNITION COMBINATION LOCK SWITCH 2 KEYS 19-21 MONKEY 21-22 CT125 OEM NEW | eBay

2021-2022 CT125 TRAIL. HONDA IGNITION COMBINATION LOCK SWITCH 2 KEYS OEM NEW. 2019-2021 MONKEY. INCLUDES 2 KEYS. Our inventory is constantly updating and changing, we do our best to keep it as accurate as possible.

www.ebay.com

If not, sounds like someone messed up somewhere. Like you said, seems like a common issue. If you don't want to deal with it now, it would at least be a good idea to photograph, scan, or take a rubbing of the key. Or you can use a caliper to determine the bitting with the template I posted above. Only useful if you can find a locksmith who can work with that or duplicate your existing key, but Genericode (and probably other software) can be used to translate the bitting back to the key code.

My dealer provided a document folder that had a spot to record the key code, but the dealer didn't fill anything out, I did.




The owner's manual does not have a spot to record the key code, likely because it explains "This manual should be considered a permanent part of the vehicle and should remain with the vehicle when it is resold." Some people keep the manual on the bike.

 

[Milano.B]

I had a spare key made. It was done on a duplicator machine I have not seen before.
First, the locksmith was trying to check if the OEM key had a chip. Different chip sensors read 'Negative'.
$8 including the blank key.

 

[milkdudd]

I have a problem that's somewhat on topic. My ignition switch like all of them has the little door that closes off the opening so water and dirt etc. don't get in the switch. Well my door is stuck open and I'm not sure what to do about it. I think I'm still under warranty but trailering my bike far away to the dealer seems ridiculous for this. If the dealer replaced that switch would they also have to replace the lock under the seat so I could still use one key? Any advice appreciated