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Kickstand / Side Stand Switch Canceller (Type-B)

dmonkey

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Today I installed a kickstand / side stand switch delete. When this switch functions as expected it prevents you from running the bike in gear with the kickstand down. As soon as the combination of being in gear and the kickstand down happens, it kills the motor. This is a safety feature so you don't drive off with the kickstand down scraping it, or go into a turn and have it plant into the ground and cause you to crash. Some reasons to eliminate this functionality are that the bike is an automatic, it's possible to have it in gear and on the kickstand without driving away, these switches can fail (especially with off road abuse) - eliminating the switch reduces the risk of getting stranded with a bike that turns off every time you put it in gear, and eliminating it cleans up a little bit of cabling and a bracket that sits by the front sprocket which can pack with grease.

This mod doesn't have to require a special part, you could just create a loop of wire to stick into the connector to complete the circuit, or cut the cabling in the existing side stand switch and patch it together to close the circuit.

I used the KITACO Side Stand Switch Canceller (Type-B) part number 676-9000910

There are other brands and other stores that sell the same type of part, for example: https://www.steadygarage.com/store/chimera-side-stand-switch-bypass-honda-grom-monkey-125-pcx
Type-B is a three pin connector with the wire bypass in the outer pin positions.

Tools used: Hex bit socket set (5mm), 10mm socket, 12mm socket, socket wrench, socket wrench extension, a small 2.5mm hex key I used to push the center of the push pin rivets to release them, and a swivel socket might make things easier but I didn't use one.

The instructions provided by Kitaco are in Japanese and don't provide step by step instructions, just a photo of what you're working with, which is also not accurate since it shows a slightly different cable path. Hopefully these photos are helpful to anyone doing the same mod, or considering doing it.

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Bike on center stand with side stand down for reference, switch is mounted at the pivot point of the side stand.


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With the front sprocket cover off the black wire sleeve to the left of the front sprocket is the side stand switch wiring.


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Looking down at the switch on the side stand pivot.


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The black bracket to the left of the front sprocket holds the cable in place and out of the chain/sprocket area.


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The side stand switch's pivot bolt threads into the hole of the side stand bolt, there is a bushing in the side stand switch which is why the bolt is long.


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Putting the bolts back in after removing the side stand switch cable bracket is where a swivel socket might come in handy, it is hard to get to the bottom bolt without removing the shifter and footpeg assemblies. Luckily I was able to avoid this with a shallow enough socket and socket wrench (1/4")


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This green connector is where the side stand switch cabling plugs into the rest of the wiring harness. To get good enough access to unplug it I removed the battery lid, the main pipe lower cover (left), the air cleaner garnish, and the main pipe (left) side cover. These body panel names are from the manual. The air cleaner garnish needed to be removed because it has to come off for the main pipe side cover to come off as it sits on top of it at one bolt. The green connector is in a bundle of other cables and connectors that are bound with a clear plastic sleeve and a reusable black zip-tie. Press the zip-tie release to loosen it a bit, then slide the clear plastic sleeve upward to expose the connectors.


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Here it is with the side stand switch cabling removed and the bypass plugged in.


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This shows the top of the clear plastic wiring connector sleeve for reference. It is shaped like the neck of a plastic bottle.


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Here is the wiring all wrapped back up with the wiring connector sleeve pulled down and the reusable zip-tie tightened around it.

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Here is everything I pulled off. It's a bolt, the side stand switch and wiring, and the bracket for the wiring.


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Everything buttoned back up.

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The one thing left to do is I'll go to the hardware store and pick up a shorter version of the bolt that was removed (it is too long to re-insert without the switch) so I can thread it into this hole to prevent it from clogging up and the threads getting damaged.

Here is the diagram from Kitaco's instructions for reference. It might (?) be correct for a Grom, but not for the CT125.20210912_191512.jpg
 
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r80rt

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Nice write up, I did that to mine right after I bought it. Those things always cause trouble after they get a little age on them.
 

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Good grief, pretty involved to remove that bugger. Thanks very much for taking the time to document how it's done. I know how much time it takes to take and upload/download photos and then do the write up too. I bought the jumper long ago but have been too busy to install it. I'll refer back to this write up when I finally get around to it.
 

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so aside from the possible failure, whats the reasoning to disable it? Only reason i leave them is, ive seen somebody pogo a bike and crash with a sidestand down before. (vintage GT550). it wasn't pretty. id imagine a bypass toggle switch might be the best of both worlds, keep it on and if it fails, just hit the switch. just my .02
 

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A very concise write up. I will refer to it when I do mine. I think I have the Kitaco bypass in my box of CT stuff.
 

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Good grief, pretty involved to remove that bugger. Thanks very much for taking the time to document how it's done. I know how much time it takes to take and upload/download photos and then do the write up too. I bought the jumper long ago but have been too busy to install it. I'll refer back to this write up when I finally get around to it.
For real! Such a simple bike but then the body panels have a mix of tabs, clips, push-pin rivets, allen head screws, bolts, and panel overlap. Less work to get the panels off than most sport bikes, but more work than many other small bikes. This is why I haven't gotten to a lot of mods yet, waiting on other parts to arrive so I can bundle the work together. I will say that it gets easier and quicker with practice though, also the body panels come really tight but once you've popped them off a few times they're a bit easier to work with.

so aside from the possible failure, whats the reasoning to disable it? Only reason i leave them is, ive seen somebody pogo a bike and crash with a sidestand down before. (vintage GT550). it wasn't pretty. id imagine a bypass toggle switch might be the best of both worlds, keep it on and if it fails, just hit the switch. just my .02
Reducing a point of failure is pretty much it other than removing stuff that you might not want or need just to clean things up. You're absolutely right that this mod reduces safety and anyone doing it should be aware of that and use their own judgement. These bikes don't have a locking kick stand like the "Jiffy" stands on Harleys though, if you roll the bike forward with the stand down it should just fold up if the spring is present and functional, I made sure mine did before installing this. I have a wide plate foot installed on my stand, might make the ground contact movement a little different than without it. I've had to bypass two side stand switches due to failure before, once in the woods next to a single track, once on the side of a highway when it turned off my Ducati in the left lane 🙃. It's not a hard thing to do on the spot, just cutting wires and twisting them together to get you or your buddy back running again, but if it's something you're comfortable without having, IMO it's nice to eliminate that point of failure before you're out on an adventure.

Also if you were to go to a track day with the Trail 😂 , depending on the safety requirements at that specific track, you might need to remove the entire side stand and center stand, which would require a bypass.
 

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This mod doesn't have to require a special part, you could just create a loop of wire to stick into the connector to complete the circuit, or cut the cabling in the existing side stand switch and patch it together to close the circuit.
Great write up! The above is why I’m not nervous about it failing off road…. It has saved the wife’s bacon for the mile side road ride home from downtown. A few adult beverages, not a lot, but it was still new to her and kept cutting it off 3 times she kicked it into gear….

Amazing detail, we need to set you a sticky on your moods with that detail!
 

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The Type-B one fit my 2021 Honda Trail JA55 model.

According to parts diagrams, the 2023 Honda Trail JA65 model has a different sidestand switch that matches that "Type E" plug. It also looks like the wiring isn't integrated into the switch on the JA65 model, instead it plugs directly into the switch.
 

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@dmonkey: Thank you for that. I missed looking at the "JA" designations. My harness does indeed plug into the switch @ the stand end.
I would have left the switch as I am a fan for what I do, but the '23 runs the wire on the back side of the front sprocket cover, making removing that cover require extra 4 letter vocabulary, so into the parts take off box it goes.
 
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