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Koso Apollo heated grips.

aiad_78

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These are some tidy looking add-ons. Any thoughts?


I've used this site and it's legit. This blinker running kit was an easy install -

 

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Tidy is a good word for them.
theazexpedition added the Koso and posted pics and tips here. Tidy because there is no externally mounted controller, ON/OFF and temp control right there on the grip from what I can tell.
Dr. Lamp is probably not a bad deal either. It's simple in theory, they're on all the time and the signal that used to blink them now opens a relay to blink the light OFF. IF this is plug-n-play it would save a lot of time hunting through this mod-unfriendly motorcycle. Someone more familiar with it could probably whip one up with a relay, some wire, and connectors. Sometimes it's nice to let someone else do the R&D and just install something.
I've had good luck with Steadygarage also.

theazexpedition mentioned something about measuring the old ones so when you put the new ones on you'll have room to put the weights back on, I'll go back through the post when I get mine.
 

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I did not see that post by Theazespedition, I apologize for duplicate posting. That's a fantastic write-up too! I'll be studying it and probably getting a set of those. Seems they went out of stock yesterday from that site.

I actually have the blinker running light kit and installed it yesterday. Was a breeze, but, be warned there is some body panel removal. It's plug and play and completely removable. $60 well spent.

Many thanks!

Paul
 

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Paul,
Hope I didn't come across as the "USE THE SEARCH BAR!" guy, definitely not my intention. I like multiple threads on a subject because they will often go off-topic or eventually get so many responses that they're bloated.
Anywho, the length seems to be important and I guess there's an unheated section on the ends that can be trimmed. Please update if you have any tips or tricks.
Riding in colder weather can be tough but with my new 1.2 mile commute I'm definitely going to pushing the limit as long as road conditions allow.
 
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Those grips are one of my favorite mods so far, makes my commute much more enjoyable!

I do also have the always on blinkers- I believe it helps quite a bit with visibility.
 

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Paul,
Hope I didn't come across as the "USE THE SEARCH BAR!" guy, definitely not my intention. I like multiple threads on a subject because they will often go off-topic or eventually get so many responses that they're bloated.
Anywho, the length seems to be important and I guess there's an unheated section on the ends that can be trimmed. Please update if you have any tips or tricks.
Riding in colder weather can be tough but with my new 1.2 mile commute I'm definitely going to pushing the limit as long as road conditions allow.
You defiantly didn't. That's more a me thing, I've used so many forums over the years and try and be respectful. They seem to be a dwindling resource compared to the early 2k's.

I'm currently trying to rewire some new led headlights and fog lamps. Without this site id be stumped!
 

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You defiantly didn't. That's more a me thing, I've used so many forums over the years and try and be respectful. They seem to be a dwindling resource compared to the early 2k's.

I'm currently trying to rewire some new led headlights and fog lamps. Without this site id be stumped!
I'm with you, brother! The other forums I use have had big user drains to FB and Reddit. I don't like either of those so it's forums for me until it's not an option. There is a Trail 125 thread over on ADVriders, but it is a THREAD, not a forum, so it's just hundreds of pages long. (currently 509 pages long. LOL)

Regarding the headlights and fog lamps, I'm starting to think that the best first mod for future owners would be an auxiliary 12V block. Like a little sub-panel that contains switched and unswitched 12V. I found a nice 12V trigger under the tupperware near the Honda medallion and the tube shaped section of fairing it sits on. I installed a dash-cam and needed a 12V trigger to tell it to power on. I found this relay that was using oversize spade connectors that left a big open section of the crimp on either side of the tiny wire*. Was able to simply insert my wire in the end of the spade connector and crimp it again. Spade connector had to be removed from plug by lifting the retaining clip inside the plug. I didn't take great pictures but here's where it is. Erm, if I was a better forum member I would've wrote down what color it was. Sorry. Multimeter will answer that question.

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A single fused wire from the battery could be run up there with a small, enclosed or shrouded terminal strip or similar with a relay that switches some of the terminals ON when running. Ground could go to a frame bolt nearby or from the battery.
Adding anything to the battery or anywhere in that location is an adventure in patience. This would be nice because it would only be once and done.
A little AUX block would simplify a lot.
There's some talk about stator headroom and maybe upgrading it, fortunately all the little electronic mods don't add a huge load and a bright LED lamp module uses as much as a single Christmas bulb from my childhood.
Time will tell.
Whatever you do, have a blast. The Trail is a hoot even if you don't change anything! Well, IMHO the fun doesn't really start until you mount a milk crate or some other top box but we all have our own goals for this bike.

At some point I need to start "cheaping out" on farkling this bike. Will it be the heated grips? Will I use a relay and connectors I probably already have to do the Dr. Blinker myself? Hard decisions!





*little more info: I've never seen anything like it. They used female spade connectors mounted in the plug that mates nicely to the bottom of the relay. It's a standard method for connecting wires tidily to a relay.
they used nice double crimp terminals which have separate bits to crimp on the wire and insulation. BUT, the connector they used could easily crimp on a 10GA wire! They crimped a MUCH smaller wire to it, connection looked like it would be fine, however it left 2 perfect tubes on either side of the wire that can easily be used to tap into it as a power on trigger.
I wouldn't use it for more than some juice to power a little relay as I don't know where it is in the circuit and with that tiny wire it's probably fused accordingly.
 

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Paul,
Hope I didn't come across as the "USE THE SEARCH BAR!" guy, definitely not my intention. I like multiple threads on a subject because they will often go off-topic or eventually get so many responses that they're bloated.
Anywho, the length seems to be important and I guess there's an unheated section on the ends that can be trimmed. Please update if you have any tips or tricks.
Riding in colder weather can be tough but with my new 1.2 mile commute I'm definitely going to pushing the limit as long as road conditions allow.
I make my 3/4 mile side street commute in deep snow…. Hardest part is getting over the berm to park. Dropped the 1975 once but it was more icy then fresh snow!
 

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Adding anything to the battery or anywhere in that location is an adventure in patience. This would be nice because it would only be once and done.
A little AUX block would simplify a lot.

I have used this on other bikes: https://www.fuzeblocks.com/Fuzeblocks-FZ-1-Distribution-Block_p_1.html
Have not installed one on my CT125 yet, but it's on my list! It is a bit bulky, so might need to squeeze it between the two plastic halves that cover the "underbone" part of the frame between your knees that goes up to the steering stem.
It's a bit of old tech, hasn't been updated in a long time, and it's a good idea to weather seal it since it lacks that out-of-the-box. It does its job though. Makes wiring accessories very easy once installed.
 

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I installed a dash-cam and needed a 12V trigger to tell it to power on.
Funny you mention dash cams. These past few weeks I've looking into this type of system -


I'm thinking this one, doubles as both a compact rear view camera and front facing camera for recording.. They make one without a display that sends a live feed via bluteooth.. They have G-sensors so can act as a security system when parked up. So a discreet version with no display that can be hidden might be favorable. Here -


The mods I've done so far have been fun. I've no intent on selling this bike and it'll be my primary mode of transport so I'm going to make it my way. This is my first bike in nearly 30 years, the learning curve is steep. BUT... the headlamp replacement is being a bitch. I want my lights to work from the stock switches and the hi/low switch seems to gain its power from the OEM headlamp cluster. Without a schematic of the headlamp itself, where to draw power is proving difficult to work out. I know it can be done, Webike sell a replacement head light kit by Protec that shows a re-wired loom -


When I figure it out, Ill post a how-to. Another forum member kindly posted a link to the 8-pin loom available on aliexpress -

 

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Paul,
The first link is the exact dash cam I used, when I clicked your link it showed me "last purchased Aug, 3, 2022".
I'm still futzing with where to mount the unmountable controller/screen. I'm probably gonna make a plastic cradle that attaches to that center screw at the top of the center bar fairing and maybe have it tuck under the top edge to give it additional stability. I chose this location rather than mount to the handlebars because that would require running 3 or 4 additional cables up to the bars. That's just too many.
An issue (for me) is that I'm using it for supplemental footage for the rides I take with my wife (she has a helmet cam) so I'll need to access Nano-SD card. It does a lot of processing so would heat up if enclosed, and a proper enclosure that allowed heat dissipation would be bulky so I'd have to mount it someplace weird. Leaving it out allows access to the memory card. Was thinking about making a hooded cradle that will protect it but still allow airflow.
Also the camera mounts are chintzy so I'll just get some plastic stock and drill it to work for my setup.
The WIFI app and connection would only be useful if all you ever needed, ever, was a single clip. Even then it might take a long time.

After all the negative stuff it's probably the one I'd buy unless I had a much bigger budget. Works fine, nothing unexpected. Designed by engineers who probably don't do many installs.
If I ever get it done I'll do a write-up but other stuff keeps popping up.
In the meantime here are some vids:

Here's one that shows why when your habit is to run the stop sign bad things can happen. I was fortunate she wasn't coming from the right.

Still hunting for a good spot for the rear camera so nothing good to share. Lots of engine vibration makes the image wavy. Also may need to put a small shroud around the wide-angle lens as it gets a lot of flare from the taillights at night.
It's the kind of install that you can plan for but once it's in there's still plenty of tweaking, also the compactness of the fuselage makes placement and routing of wires challenging.
Here's me behind my wife on her Super Cub:

 
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MisterB,

That is a coincidence we both chose the same cam options! Small world.

You make a great point talking mounting points. I like clean and things can get messy real fast in such a small space. I might go for the screen-less option in lew of what you've said here and hide it under the seat or somewhere semi-accessible. You did say one thing about the app in that there's no live feed from the cams? If that's so then I'll have to reconsider this option for a controller with a screen. The same brand offer a 4" screen option too.

I had given no thought to vibration. Mounting the camera via some dampening sounds the only option here. The tail on these bikes is the one area I was unable to access or I'd consider drilling a hole in the red cowling of the rear mudguard.

I think this will be the next thing I do after heated grips. Washington gets cold!

Paul
 

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Pretty sure there is a live feed to phone option on the screenless model via the app. I needed easy access to mine because I'm less concerned about traffic and instead am using clips from our outings to make little videos for us to enjoy.
We're older so there's no guarantee we'll be able to ride next season! Crazy health issues pop up.
If you don't need to get the Micro-SD card out to grab a bunch of videos you could probably get the one without a screen and use the phone for setup and transferring the occasional video. There may be some setting tweaks to the wifi connection that will help. You might be able to keep it tucked away somewhere a for cleaner look.

I've got a couple more locations to try with the rear camera, will definitely post if I find one that doesn't have the shakes.
 

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Hello,

My major concern IS traffic. Then security.

If the screen less option lets me live feed to my phone from front and rear cams then that's the one I'm going for.

I will admit, you blindsided me with the rear stability problem. The rear carrier has to be the best option.

My Dad is 72. He's been blasting round on my trail and loves it!! I hope you can ride.
 

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Re: rear camera stability. I've only tried 2, maybe 3, rear locations. When dealing with pieces that are vibrating you may have a node or location on the piece that moves more or less than other locations along its length.
I will try various places along the rear bar of the rack.

Attached underneath rack towards the end. nope
Tried it on the blinker expecting nothing good. No-go.
This video is with it attached to the license plate bracket. If you watch in full-definition it may induce vomiting. (note, the video is unlisted but should be visible via the link. There are license plates visible and I don't know if that's an issue.)

I'm hopeful there will be a spot along the rear rack where the shake is less pronounced. Will post when I find it.
The lenses pick up a lot of glare from the taillights, brake lights, and blinkers depending on where they are mounted. Will experiment with a small hood to reduce or eliminate it.

Couple more things:
The cameras have short cables and there are extension cables that attach to them if needed. Depending on where you mount the controller you may be able to skip one of the extensions which will reduce your cable bundle significantly.
With my installation I've got extensions on both but all this talk has me considering ripping it out and re-installing it. Thinking about a small drawer/box that mounts under the rear rack which would protect the unit but still allow access AND airflow to keep it cool. If big enough it could house some excess cabling. Again: I'll post any findings and do a proper write-up if I ever get it done nice enough to deserve one.


Glad to hear about your Dad! My Wife has rotator cuff surgery soon and I need to get a hernia fixed so hopefully we'll be ride-ready by next season.
Hernia is the final push I needed to say goodby to the Gold Wing. At nearly 900 lbs it makes me really appreciate the wonderful Trail 125.
 

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Glad to hear about your Dad! My Wife has rotator cuff surgery soon and I need to get a hernia fixed so hopefully we'll be ride-ready by next season.
Hernia is the final push I needed to say goodby to the Gold Wing. At nearly 900 lbs it makes me really appreciate the wonderful Trail 125.
Had a hernia repair not so long ago (umbilical hernia). Take it very easy... but if there were ever a motorcycle to want to ride with a hernia repair, this is probably it. Definitely not the top-heavy V-Strom.
 
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