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BaldRider

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My attempt is rapidly approaching (45 days, 20 hours, 45 minutes) and so I am starting this thread to provide updates. I will link long-form (wordy) updates from my website if anyone cares to read as well as YT videos as they are released. The video for the trip itself won't be released until I reach 1000 subscribers but it will take me forever to edit anyway since I will be recording on two cameras uninterrupted except for memory card swaps.

As of right now, the date chosen is April 8th. I also have a shakedown run of approximately 400 miles planned on March 11th. Prep, so far, has consisted of route planning and purchasing mods/equipment I think I will need. I'm also trying to lose some weight to account for holiday weight-gain as well as account for added weight I will be carrying for the trip.

The teaser trailer was released last Friday in my normal goofy and not-at-all serious manner. You can't take yourself too seriously.


I have decided to call this attempt IRONBEARD.
 

G19Tony

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I’m in! Good luck!

Nice video work. I’d like to be able to figure all that out. Well done.

Subbed on YT!
 
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bryanchurch06

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Please forgive my ignorance but what exactly are you doing, in plain English? I am a little confused. I'm sure I'm the only one.
 

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Since you've been taking weights on things, I have a Corbin saddle for the CT125 on hand and it weighs 4 lbs 10.5 oz with the two bolts at the front of the seat pan installed. My 2021 stock seat is in storage, so if you'd need to come up with an OEM seat weight for a comparison.

Battery and exhaust swaps are two weight saving mods I did that partially offset the weight of other added accessories. If you were to go all out on making reversible changes other than engine internals or tune on the bike, I could see benefiting from street tires and temporarily removing the rear carrier. The smallest displacement 4-stroke I could find on the Iron Butt certification list is a CT90 that did 1,600 km in 24 hrs. There's no requirement to disclose modifications, so it may have been engine swapped. Either way, that and the other < 150cc bikes being on the list are inspiring. I look forward to seeing how this goes and wish you luck!
 

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Thank you for that information. I need to keep the rear carrier because I need to bring fuel with me. I am keeping the stock tires for now. I was at the local Honda dealer yesterday and talking to one of the guys who also owns a '23. He suggested I tooth down but I'm sticking to stock for now.

The Garmin Montana weighs over 1lb. I don't strictly need it for navigation as I know the route (in its current form) pretty well but I am also using it for avg speed and the satellite messaging amongst other things.

I would imagine the CT90 on the list had a support/chase vehicle. I'll be solo. More extreme measures may need to be made depending on how the shakedown run goes. I don't exactly live in an area known for being flat and level. (Edit: not taking anything away from the person who accomplished it on the 90. I initially planned on having a support vehicle but circumstances did not allow it. Once you get to this level of obsurdity, you do what you have to)

I won't be submitting for any certifications. I'll know I did it (or didn't do it). I am prioritizing whatever non-riding time I may have to camera maintenance instead of taking pictures of receipts and all the other stuff required for certification. I'm hoping I can make a moderately entertaining video out of it.
 
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Good luck! You need to minimally (as in ZERO stops) average 42MPH on a bike that has an effective top speed of 50-55. It's possible, but you're going to need a very favorable route and perfect execution of gas stops, food, etc.

The good news is on this bike, if you get yourself a throttle lock, you can just set the throttle on full all the time and never have to worry about adjusting it!
 

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Thank you for that information. I need to keep the rear carrier because I need to bring fuel with me. I am keeping the stock tires for now. I was at the local Honda dealer yesterday and talking to one of the guys who also owns a '23. He suggested I tooth down but I'm sticking to stock for now.

The Garmin Montana weighs over 1lb. I don't strictly need it for navigation as I know the route (in its current form) pretty well but I am also using it for avg speed and the satellite messaging amongst other things.

I would imagine the CT90 on the list had a support/chase vehicle. I'll be solo. More extreme measures may need to be made depending on how the shakedown run goes. I don't exactly live in an area known for being flat and level. (Edit: not taking anything away from the person who accomplished it on the 90. I initially planned on having a support vehicle but circumstances did not allow it. Once you get to this level of obsurdity, you do what you have to)

I won't be submitting for any certifications. I'll know I did it (or didn't do it). I am prioritizing whatever non-riding time I may have to camera maintenance instead of taking pictures of receipts and all the other stuff required for certification. I'm hoping I can make a moderately entertaining video out of it.

On the fuel front… Are you plumbing an external tank in. On the SCB, we figured we were getting 77 mpg at WFO. I should have kept better track, but just riding took up all the memory space. Based on my CC charges, it took $105 to go 3170 miles. You might be able to extrapolate this with current fuel prices to get an idea of how much fuel it would take. I wish I would have kept track of the gallons used.
 

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I've been planning a route for a while now. I'll be sharing that next week (provided it doesn't change). The key is limited traffic controls which also means higher-speed roads. I only plan on stopping for fuel.

I had considered plumbing in an auxiliary fuel tank but opted to just bring a can (and smaller emergency can) with me. My last fill up was 98mpg but not with all of my travel stuff with me. There’s only one leg of my route where 78mpg would be a problem.

The shakedown route will be in the area I expect the worst mileage. I will adjust from there.
 

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I've done 1000k in 24 on big bikes where I could hit 70 plus mph on highways. That was a major accomplishment for me, and I was sore. To do it on a Trail? Wow, that will be an accomplishment. Best of luck to you. I love adventures. I will see if my kids can show me how to subscribe.
 

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Over the weekend, I installed the Garmin 700i, an Atlas throttle lock and a WirusWin backrest. @dmonkey no longer has a Corbin seat (for some reason) and I have a couple other small things still on the way. I was going to post prep stuff in the modifications section but I'll try to contain my insanity into a single thread.
 

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Details of the route are being published on this Friday's blog entry but here's the Google map of the planned route in its current state. There's a massive snowstorm coming. That may change things but the trip isn't for another month.

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Looks like a nice and simple route with few turns and few possibilities of wrong turns. What's the elevation profile look like?
 

BaldRider

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Not ideal. Lowest point is about 150ft. Highest is over 7600ft. It is the profile I posted in the scooter app thread.

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I looked into the IBA 1000 mi ride a while back and what it would take, then again after the RtD ride with some real data. 1000 mi would likely be somewhere between 9 and 11 gallons based on past experience. I'd be surprised if it fell too far out of that range; I estimated 9.5 gallons if using road tires, and closer to 10.5 if using SR244's.

4 gal of reserve was my ideal, with the "I managed to borrow all the resources I needed" answer being 2x 2 gal Rotopax mounted using the Rotopax mount on the long side of a milk crate, short side of the crate facing the rider, with the nozzles facing backwards - allowed for easily removing and mounting on the bike no matter how much it swelled, as well as easy refueling at fuel stations due to the ease of access of the nozzles, only necessitates a single scheduled fuel stop between 450 and 580'ish miles, and I can store something in the back like an extra layer if it gets very cold. At the time, the less ideal option was the cheaper 2 gal can from Home Depot, but now I have a mid-rack between my knees, that's a viable option again.

In terms of route, I mocked up your route using RideWithGPS and took a look. If that was a bet if I could ride that in 24h I would not take that bet. The climb out of Death Valley and the rolling hills killing my average speed would be too much. It'd be a damn fun ride though, and if not for work changing the conditions from the 2014 rules under which I could claim a "charity ride" (where they make donations on my behalf), I would absolutely do that as a charity ride.

Side note, but for shits and giggles I looked around to see what options existed if you removed all constraints (e.g. if this was to be done by a Bugatti Veyron). Ends up that a Home-Tonopah AZ-Tonopah NV-Home loop is 1000 mi.
 

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The smallest displacement 4-stroke I could find on the Iron Butt certification list is a CT90 that did 1,600 km in 24 hrs
He also did it in West Australia. West Australia is famous for very, very flat roads and very, very wide open spaces, often punctuated with good predictable weather and "Pacific Northwest racetrack" quality roads if sticking to paved highways. It's almost the ideal location in the world for doing stuff like this, if not for how much you'd get blown about by the road trains and how aggressive the cops can be with ticketing for speeding - generally not a problem on a Honda Trail. This more speaks to that he has a lot going for him that works against us here in the USA.

I think I might have said it before somewhere on the forum, but the average Perth, West Australia quality road is better than almost every road I've ever driven/ridden on in the USA, often by quite a margin.
 
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