SneakyDingo
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It's a requirement in Australia, if that's what you're thinking of.
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These guys beat up a Chinese Hawk dirt bike. If it's real and not staged, it seems like it handled the beating pretty good.
In the next 10 or 25 years we might see some actual quality products hitting the market
You plan on learning?Better start now. That is a complex vocabulary.
I think you are correct.I don't think ABS is a requirement, at least not in the US. I know on the Grom ABS is an optional feature and you can buy a brand-new Yamaha TW200 which has no ABS.
Part of quality is the ability to produce adequate documentation to go with it. Of all the things to worry about, that's the smallest of the difficulties. I used to work with people who did this for their day job; my very first office seat at my previous job was behind a guy who did this regularly as part of his work duties. This is an immensely non-issue problem. One bilingual Chinese person making quality documentation / videos for others and no one will care. For example, this is what I received to replace the motherboard of my Gotway MSX 100V electric unicycle. I feel like most of the useful parts of the Honda manual are just pictures, arrows and a number with Nm behind it Toasters used to be repaired, not thrown out.
Maintenance as well. In the bid to cut costs as much as possible, the ease of maintenance is often sacrificed. Looking at you, Gotway MSX, where you have to completely disassemble it to change a flat tire. Sometimes this is a good thing to increase maintenance complexity - for example, newer Mazda oil filters, where it's no longer just one piece but is two pieces and you reuse the outside, for the sake of recycling and environmental disposal - but often that level of consideration is not given.the mfg ethos between japanese owned companies and chinese companies is vastly different.
It isn't anything beyond what can we market and sell to the most people at the maximum profit while utilizing the least costly methods and materials. Marketing is the number one factor in determining what is available,not what is the best value,or need for the item. There is no new technology. I am going to ride instead of attempting to fix the learned stupidity of the masses. I am much happier now that I have a motorcycle. Kinda of like when you got a big fish on the line,you forget about the shit that was living in your head rent free. It doesn't take a long ride to make a dog happy, even a short one seems to do the job!after having spent the better part of the last 2 weeks with my hands in an early Japanese 'throw away bike' from 1967 that was badly abused its whole existence, (just 12 years after yamaha started making motorcycles), i can tell you the quality on that is well above and beyond what the Chinese m/c makers are doing today, by a long shot. This thread keeps popping into my mind whenever i dig into that bike. still greatly impressed with how well its built. and to the point of the toaster, how repairable it is.
the mfg ethos between japanese owned companies and chinese companies is vastly different. But there will always be those who will put cost ahead of quality. And thats fine, but nuts and bolt comparisons, there really isn't one. .02
I have a 1939(?) Sunbeam Model T-9 toaster that's still in use, it's the Brave Little Toaster. It holds its value same as the Honda Trail.Toasters used to be repaired,not thrown out. We made them.
Another option is to invest in becoming your own cobbler (or mechanic). Total cost of ownership of a Honda Trail once you get up there in the miles will be quite a bit if you were to bring it to the dealership for everything little thing and pay whatever $75+/hr rate they charge.The reason that the rich were so rich, Vimes reasoned, was because they managed to spend less money.
Take boots, for example. He earned thirty-eight dollars a month plus allowances. A really good pair of leather boots cost fifty dollars. But an affordable pair of boots, which were sort of OK for a season or two and then leaked like hell when the cardboard gave out, cost about ten dollars. Those were the kind of boots Vimes always bought, and wore until the soles were so thin that he could tell where he was in Ankh-Morpork on a foggy night by the feel of the cobbles.
But the thing was that good boots lasted for years and years. A man who could afford fifty dollars had a pair of boots that'd still be keeping his feet dry in ten years' time, while the poor man who could only afford cheap boots would have spent a hundred dollars on boots in the same time and would still have wet feet.
The price per hour is not relevant. Are they skilled,efficient,accountable,as well as fair and truthful. It is hard to work for others when you are in today's world. If you are lucky enough to find them,you will be better of to pay whatever they charge.The hassle,wait times and excuses are too much to bear.Do they store it inside? Etc. I would charge at least that much,but I wouldn't expect for others to pay for my mistakes,nor would I not keep my word. If it takes an hour and a half, that would be $ 125.00. If it is clean ,and in front of someone skilled,with proper tools and equipment,they can get a big bore and cam install done in that time. Would you pay that?I have a 1939(?) Sunbeam Model T-9 toaster that's still in use, it's the Brave Little Toaster. It holds its value same as the Honda Trail.
This all reminds me of a Terry Pratchett quote from Discworld about getting what you pay for:
Another option is to invest in becoming your own cobbler (or mechanic). Total cost of ownership of a Honda Trail once you get up there in the miles will be quite a bit if you were to bring it to the dealership for everything little thing and pay whatever $75+/hr rate they charge.
Sam Walton had a son,I believe his name was John. Google him. MAC-V SOG Not pertinent,just amazing true story of special human being. Well maybe better than human.there are a few companies in it for the long game. Triumph, Honda, etc. some of us look for value and quality. but the majority are ok with crap or 'good enough, hence why wal-mart has proliferated the way it has. I also refuse to step foot into one if i can help it. I get it, but initially cheap stuff usually costs more in the long run.
Most shops charge book rate / flat rate / billable hours rather than actual time, so you're unlikely to find a mechanic that meets that critera and bills actual time unless they do it on the side, are friends with you, and somehow aren't booked out for months in advance. That's what incentivizes a mechanic to be competent and quick at their work, they can get 3hrs work done in 1.5 hrs and get paid for the 3 billable hours.The price per hour is not relevant. Are they skilled,efficient,accountable,as well as fair and truthful. It is hard to work for others when you are in today's world. If you are lucky enough to find them,you will be better of to pay whatever they charge.The hassle,wait times and excuses are too much to bear.Do they store it inside? Etc. I would charge at least that much,but I wouldn't expect for others to pay for my mistakes,nor would I not keep my word. If it takes an hour and a half, that would be $ 125.00. If it is clean ,and in front of someone skilled,with proper tools and equipment,they can get a big bore and cam install done in that time. Would you pay that?