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[BaldRider]

Scratching my head.....? Why on earth would anyone really want these Chinese bikes? They are cheaper to buy but that is the end of any charm they have. Spotty reliability, even glowing reviews seem to indicate 20000 miles as the practical life of these bikes and getting there will likely involve repairs.....a lot of them. The support for these bikes is not in the same universe let a lone solar system as the Japanese or European offerings. Some people report their regular insurance company will not insure them. Then when you decide you miss the dependable service of Yamaha, Kawasaki and Honda good luck finding a sucker willing to give you much money. They are not all that cheap anymore. For the same money or less just buy a good used Japanese bike and ride.

You own a Ural, right? Just saying…

 

[Kev250R]

Scratching my head.....? Why on earth would anyone really want these Chinese bikes? They are cheaper to buy but that is the end of any charm they have. Spotty reliability, even glowing reviews seem to indicate 20000 miles as the practical life of these bikes and getting there will likely involve repairs.....a lot of them. The support for these bikes is not in the same universe let a lone solar system as the Japanese or European offerings. Some people report their regular insurance company will not insure them. Then when you decide you miss the dependable service of Yamaha, Kawasaki and Honda good luck finding a sucker willing to give you much money. They are not all that cheap anymore. For the same money or less just buy a good used Japanese bike and ride.

Of the China Bikes I think CF Moto has a better reputation then most, which is one of the reasons why the values are going-up. It's country of origin would personally not stop me from buying one. Like it or not we live in a Global Economy. I drive a Toyota which was built in Texas and ride a KTM which was made in India. It's a different world now.

 

[m in sc]

it's not country of origin, it's the track record of whats out there. the CF's are better by far than a lot of the crap out there. The motors are typically just fine, its the rest of the bikes that tend to fall apart.

 

[Low-gear]

Scratching my head.....? Why on earth would anyone really want these Chinese bikes? They are cheaper to buy but that is the end of any charm they have. Spotty reliability, even glowing reviews seem to indicate 20000 miles as the practical life of these bikes and getting there will likely involve repairs.....a lot of them. The support for these bikes is not in the same universe let a lone solar system as the Japanese or European offerings. Some people report their regular insurance company will not insure them. Then when you decide you miss the dependable service of Yamaha, Kawasaki and Honda good luck finding a sucker willing to give you much money. They are not all that cheap anymore. For the same money or less just buy a good used Japanese bike and ride.

Don’t forget nonexistent resale value.

 

[oldskool]

You own a Ural, right? Just saying…

And Urals competition for military side car motorcycles....................? These Chinese bikes are competing in a market FULL of far better proven options. Everyone has their priorities. I would find the money saved on one of these bikes too bitter a pill to swallow while waiting for hard to source parts that quickly eat up the money save on the initial purchase.

 

[BaldRider]

And Urals competition for military side car motorcycles....................? These Chinese bikes are competing in a market FULL of far better proven options. Everyone has their priorities. I would find the money saved on one of these bikes too bitter a pill to swallow while waiting for hard to source parts that quickly eat up the money save on the initial purchase.

A new Ural is now over $20k for a bike with a similar negative opinion on reliability as what you said about Chinese bikes. It is also competing against “a market FULL of far better proven options.” Sure, it is the only factory sidecar option you can buy new but the market is flooded with adventure-styled bikes and you could buy 4 Royal Enfield 350s if you want the ‘military’ look and $20k to spend.

Look, as a fellow Ural owner, I have no right to tell someone not to buy a bike because it has a poor reputation for reliability or there are ‘better options’ out there. I think you give that up once you own a slow, air-cooled tractor with limited dealer support

 

[m in sc]

urals are such a niche market i have no idea why they are even being brought up as a comparison TBH. Might as well throw Daewoo in the mix. lol.

 

[oldskool]

A new Ural is now over $20k for a bike with a similar negative opinion on reliability as what you said about Chinese bikes. It is also competing against “a market FULL of far better proven options.” Sure, it is the only factory sidecar option you can buy new but the market is flooded with adventure-styled bikes and you could buy 4 Royal Enfield 350s if you want the ‘military’ look and $20k to spend.

Look, as a fellow Ural owner, I have no right to tell someone not to buy a bike because it has a poor reputation for reliability or there are ‘better options’ out there. I think you give that up once you own a slow, air-cooled tractor with limited dealer support

I paid $7000 for my gear up with 1800 clicks on the clock. Its a low tech bike that is clearly a POS by today's standards. I knew that going in. If Honda made a knock off I would have bought it, they don"t.
I am not trying to talk anyone into or out of anything. Just find it puzzling why someone would buy a bike with sketchy reliability, longevity and support when there are proven options galore.

 

[BaldRider]

I paid $7000 for my gear up. […] Just find it puzzling why someone would buy a bike with sketchy reliability, longevity and support when there are proven options galore.

I’ll just move on then.

My next acquisition will probably be a Royal Alloy anyway…

 

[oldskool]

I’ll just move on then.

My next acquisition will probably be a Royal Alloy anyway…

Educate me. Why is the Ibex 450 high on your list? What am I missing? I am an old dawg but I still occasionally learn new tricks

 

[G19Tony]

Scratching my head.....? Why on earth would anyone really want these Chinese bikes? They are cheaper to buy but that is the end of any charm they have. Spotty reliability, even glowing reviews seem to indicate 20000 miles as the practical life of these bikes and getting there will likely involve repairs.....a lot of them. The support for these bikes is not in the same universe let a lone solar system as the Japanese or European offerings. Some people report their regular insurance company will not insure them. Then when you decide you miss the dependable service of Yamaha, Kawasaki and Honda good luck finding a sucker willing to give you much money. They are not all that cheap anymore. For the same money or less just buy a good used Japanese bike and ride.

I’m a free man in a free land. I’ve had two Chinese bikes so far. Both have been pretty good. CFmoto builds engines for KTM, I’ve had a KTM and it had it’s own set of issues. I want to try something new. Honda could be using this tech also. People also thought the same about Japanese cars in the 70’s. As far as support. I do my own maintenance. I don’t take my Honda to the dealer either. That’s a bigger crap shoot than buying a Chinese bike. Like everything in life, you pays your money and you takes your chances.

In the end. It comes down to my first sentence. I’m a free man in a free land. I’ll do what I think is best.

Thank you for your opinion. All opinions appreciated.

 

[oldskool]

I’m a free man in a free land. I’ve had two Chinese bikes so far. Both have been pretty good. CFmoto builds engines for KTM, I’ve had a KTM and it had it’s own set of issues. I want to try something new. Honda could be using this tech also. People also thought the same about Japanese cars in the 70’s. As far as support. I do my own maintenance. I don’t take my Honda to the dealer either. That’s a bigger crap shoot than buying a Chinese bike. Like everything in life, you pays your money and you takes your chances.

In the end. It comes down to my first sentence. I’m a free man in a free land. I’ll do what I think is best.

Thank you for your opinion. All opinions appreciated.

As it should be. I am old enough to remember "Jap junk" it wasn't just cars. Here is the thing the Japanese came here ready to roll up a steep hill due to the post war animus. They produced cars priced far under the domestic offerings and with their standards of quality and bang for the buck forcing GM, Ford and Mopar to up their game if they wished to remain in business. A few years back a used car dealership here was selling Chinese Super Cub knock offs. I was tempted to get one. I think they were $1200. He sold half a dozen of them and you would see one once in a while for a couple years. Been a LONG time since I've seen one. From what I was told they all died early deaths laying forgotten in barns and sheds with no parts support 
Back in high school one of my friends was given an old Toyota Stout from his dad to drive around. We gave him a fair amount of grief over the "Sake truck". The thing is the joke was on us. I spent a fair amount of time twisting wrenches to keep my Chevy on the road but not as much as my Mopar buddies All he ever did was put gas in the dang thing and change the oil The stout cost about 60% what a Ford or GM 1/2 ton cost and was a very dependable little truck. The Japanese earned their reputation.
As has been pointed out I own a bike that has a reputation for being less than reliable because I am free and I wanted it despite its very real flaws. I have been thinking of adding a smallish "adventure type" bike to the stable and after much study have narrowed it down to the "boringly" reliable CB500X. Looking for the right gently used example. I do like to pick peoples minds in case there is something I have overlooked and I do not mean to come across as judging others priorities.
I hope you have long years of service from your bike.

 

[m in sc]

you can't compare the 40s-60s japanese work /mfg ethos to that of modern day china mf/work ethos & culture. I'm not disparaging either, but they are totally different.... 2 totally different approaches and quite honestly, (I hear this comparison a LOT) its ignorant. Read up on how the japanese approached it vs the chinese. By this point, there would be 10s of thousands chinese branded motorcycles running around the streets if they were the same.. and, there isn't (at least in this market).

 

[bryanchurch06]

I know we are talking about motorcycle and cars, but the knife world has been having the same conversation for awhile. Made in China on a knife isn't the taboo it used to be. Some very well made and very expensive knives are coming out of China. The phrase made in, isn't as important as who made it just my .02