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Electrical Stuff

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Hello all! I have a few questions about wiring, overloading the electrical system, and recommendations (or where to buy). First things first, my goal is to get a battery tender, a GPS (looking at the Garmin Zuma xt2, but i'm open to recommendations), and I like the idea of a USB charging port. Here lies my questions: 1st, what is the electrical system able to take on? 2nd, is it safe for the bike's electrical system, GPS, USB port, etc to all be wired directly to the battery? More specifically, is it okay if multiple "ring terminals" are stacked on top of one another? My understanding is the ring terminal goes under the screw that screws the terminal into the battery. (I'm no electrician, so I don't see an issue, but I'd rather ask and suffer some grief then destroy my trail or other items). Any recommendations about wiring or wiring better? Lastly, I was reading a thread about the usb charging port, but I cannot find the exact brand everyone was talking about! Are there recommendations for good usb ports and where I can buy one?
Thank you in advance for your help!
 

dmonkey

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It is safe for all of these items to be wired to the battery, and they're not going to cause an issue while the bike is running, but if you have them connected to the battery and in use while the bike is off and not recharging the battery it will drain the battery over time. If you go that route just remember to turn things off or disconnect them when you're parking for more than a quick stop.

This is a common plug-and-play USB port setup that is easy to install if you want to only have the USB power switched on with the ignition:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BHGSVW1V
Discussion about it here: https://hondatrail125.com/index.php...torcycle-type-c-pd-dual-usb-charger-kit.1549/
And here: https://hondatrail125.com/index.php?threads/2023-usb-outlet.1892/
There are certainly other options though, and you could wire one directly to the battery.

For the battery tender connection, you'll find some cable routing options in this thread:
https://hondatrail125.com/index.php...essory-plug-on-a-honda-ct125-by-migolito.530/
Most SAE power adapters you buy for that will have ring terminals that are not the appropriate size for the battery on the CT125, so you may want to crimp new smaller ring terminals on the cable ends or file down the large ones to fit.

I have both a Garmin Zumo XT and the Garmin Zumo XT2. I highly recommend either of them, but go for the XT2 if your budget allows. The Garmin is very easy to wire directly to the battery. I went with switched power instead and ran it off the diagnostic plug that sits on top of the battery. With the XT2 you can just run it off USB power though, so adding the USB ports can take care of that.

Some things to consider with stacking ring terminals on the battery is that the plastic battery cover (hidden under the body plastic panel) may require cutting (or just ditch it) for the cables to fit, and you may need to replace the terminal bolts with longer ones.
 
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It is safe for all of these items to be wired to the battery, and they're not going to cause an issue while the bike is running, but if you have them connected to the battery and in use while the bike is off and not recharging the battery it will drain the battery over time. If you go that route just remember to turn things off or disconnect them when you're parking for more than a quick stop.

This is a common plug-and-play USB port setup that is easy to install if you want to only have the USB power switched on with the ignition:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BHGSVW1V
Discussion about it here: https://hondatrail125.com/index.php...torcycle-type-c-pd-dual-usb-charger-kit.1549/
And here: https://hondatrail125.com/index.php?threads/2023-usb-outlet.1892/
There are certainly other options though, and you could wire one directly to the battery.

For the battery tender connection, you'll find some cable routing options in this thread:
https://hondatrail125.com/index.php...essory-plug-on-a-honda-ct125-by-migolito.530/
Most SAE power adapters you buy for that will have ring terminals that are not the appropriate size for the battery on the CT125, so you may want to crimp new smaller ring terminals on the cable ends or file down the large ones to fit.

I have both a Garmin Zumo XT and the Garmin Zumo XT2. I highly recommend either of them, but go for the XT2 if your budget allows. The Garmin is very easy to wire directly to the battery. I went with switched power instead and ran it off the diagnostic plug that sits on top of the battery. With the XT2 you can just run it off USB power though, so adding the USB ports can take care of that.

Some things to consider with stacking ring terminals on the battery is that the plastic battery cover (hidden under the body plastic panel) may require cutting (or just ditch it) for the cables to fit, and you may need to replace the terminal bolts with longer ones.
I appreciate the reading material. I'll look for some M5 terminal rings and I'll get to work once things get shipped here. I'll post pics once stuff gets going! Thank you :D
 
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It is safe for all of these items to be wired to the battery, and they're not going to cause an issue while the bike is running, but if you have them connected to the battery and in use while the bike is off and not recharging the battery it will drain the battery over time. If you go that route just remember to turn things off or disconnect them when you're parking for more than a quick stop.

This is a common plug-and-play USB port setup that is easy to install if you want to only have the USB power switched on with the ignition:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BHGSVW1V
Discussion about it here: https://hondatrail125.com/index.php...torcycle-type-c-pd-dual-usb-charger-kit.1549/
And here: https://hondatrail125.com/index.php?threads/2023-usb-outlet.1892/
There are certainly other options though, and you could wire one directly to the battery.

For the battery tender connection, you'll find some cable routing options in this thread:
https://hondatrail125.com/index.php...essory-plug-on-a-honda-ct125-by-migolito.530/
Most SAE power adapters you buy for that will have ring terminals that are not the appropriate size for the battery on the CT125, so you may want to crimp new smaller ring terminals on the cable ends or file down the large ones to fit.

I have both a Garmin Zumo XT and the Garmin Zumo XT2. I highly recommend either of them, but go for the XT2 if your budget allows. The Garmin is very easy to wire directly to the battery. I went with switched power instead and ran it off the diagnostic plug that sits on top of the battery. With the XT2 you can just run it off USB power though, so adding the USB ports can take care of that.

Some things to consider with stacking ring terminals on the battery is that the plastic battery cover (hidden under the body plastic panel) may require cutting (or just ditch it) for the cables to fit, and you may need to replace the terminal bolts with longer ones.
I appreciate the reading material. I'll look for some M5 terminal rings and I'll get to work once things get here. I'll post pics once stuff gets going! Thank you :D
 

Mike Z

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It’s not a new farkle but the phones are sweet gps’s with the right app!
I agree, you can get a sub $200 Oukitel armored phone with a huge battery that will last on full bright display all day if you don't want to plug in and have all kinds of different nav and other apps available, rather than just one that Garmin made. If Garmin made a model with a touchscreen that worked in a pouring rain, I still wouldn't pay 3x the cost for 1/10th the capability.
 
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What apps would you recommend? I've tried researching apps in the past for offroad use (suv offroading), I just don't know what apps would be good or not. I like the idea of using my phone (much cheaper), but I also like the idea of having a GOS that works even if there is no cell service. I have done riding on a dirt bike in the sticks, and I chickened out exploring because there was no cell reception. Pros and cons on both, but I'm always open to suggestions (I am not a vain person who "knows everything". Knowledge is power and there a lot of folks who have more knowledge then I!)
 

Mike Z

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What apps would you recommend? I've tried researching apps in the past for offroad use (suv offroading), I just don't know what apps would be good or not. I like the idea of using my phone (much cheaper), but I also like the idea of having a GOS that works even if there is no cell service. I have done riding on a dirt bike in the sticks, and I chickened out exploring because there was no cell reception. Pros and cons on both, but I'm always open to suggestions (I am not a vain person who "knows everything". Knowledge is power and there a lot of folks who have more knowledge then I!)
I don't put a sim card in my nav phone, I download offline maps for google maps and Locus Map. I tether my nav phone to my good phone in case I do need something online. I use Kurviger or MapMyRide on PC to generate GPX files, then follow them using the Locus Map app. I use google maps to find gas or get someplace like to a hotel. Using Mapmyride on a PC I can use satellite view to find dirt roads and interesting routes. Locus Map has the same maps you can download for an overpriced dedicated GPS, hiking, streets, etc. There's no reason to need connectivity. Keep in mind I have been a computer geek since 1981 so there's that.

 
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I don't put a sim card in my nav phone, I download offline maps for google maps and Locus Map. I tether my nav phone to my good phone in case I do need something online. I use Kurviger or MapMyRide on PC to generate GPX files, then follow them using the Locus Map app. I use google maps to find gas or get someplace like to a hotel. Using Mapmyride on a PC I can use satellite view to find dirt roads and interesting routes. Locus Map has the same maps you can download for an overpriced dedicated GPS, hiking, streets, etc. There's no reason to need connectivity. Keep in mind I have been a computer geek since 1981 so there's that.

I'll take a look at this! See if it will work for me! I'm semi tech savvy (enough to get me in trouble! Lol) and I'll explore this. I imagine this is a similar concept I have seen overlanders use in their rigs. I see them with a iPad or android tablet and they navigate not too bad. Thanks for the input!
 

Kev250R

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What apps would you recommend? I've tried researching apps in the past for offroad use (suv offroading), I just don't know what apps would be good or not. I like the idea of using my phone (much cheaper), but I also like the idea of having a GOS that works even if there is no cell service. I have done riding on a dirt bike in the sticks, and I chickened out exploring because there was no cell reception. Pros and cons on both, but I'm always open to suggestions (I am not a vain person who "knows everything". Knowledge is power and there a lot of folks who have more knowledge then I!)
I've mentioned it recently in another thread but I use OnXMaps. It's a subscription service but has a ton of features. My favorites are the ability to download and access maps off-line (so it'll work in areas where you don't have service). Another is it's easy to see property boundaries so you'll know if a trail leaves public land and crosses private land (plus it shows the land owners info.) Lastly I like that other users of OnX can update trails with notes on current conditions. Knowing what sort of shape a trail I want to run was in last week as opposed to last year.

I run it mostly on a tablet which lays between the seats when I go four-wheeling but it also runs well on a phone.
 

Alvin A

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It is safe for all of these items to be wired to the battery, and they're not going to cause an issue while the bike is running, but if you have them connected to the battery and in use while the bike is off and not recharging the battery it will drain the battery over time. If you go that route just remember to turn things off or disconnect them when you're parking for more than a quick stop.

This is a common plug-and-play USB port setup that is easy to install if you want to only have the USB power switched on with the ignition:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BHGSVW1V
Discussion about it here: https://hondatrail125.com/index.php...torcycle-type-c-pd-dual-usb-charger-kit.1549/
And here: https://hondatrail125.com/index.php?threads/2023-usb-outlet.1892/
There are certainly other options though, and you could wire one directly to the battery.

For the battery tender connection, you'll find some cable routing options in this thread:
https://hondatrail125.com/index.php...essory-plug-on-a-honda-ct125-by-migolito.530/
Most SAE power adapters you buy for that will have ring terminals that are not the appropriate size for the battery on the CT125, so you may want to crimp new smaller ring terminals on the cable ends or file down the large ones to fit.

I have both a Garmin Zumo XT and the Garmin Zumo XT2. I highly recommend either of them, but go for the XT2 if your budget allows. The Garmin is very easy to wire directly to the battery. I went with switched power instead and ran it off the diagnostic plug that sits on top of the battery. With the XT2 you can just run it off USB power though, so adding the USB ports can take care of that.

Some things to consider with stacking ring terminals on the battery is that the plastic battery cover (hidden under the body plastic panel) may require cutting (or just ditch it) for the cables to fit, and you may need to replace the terminal bolts with longer ones.
Still impressed with the Zumo XT2 ? Considering getting one for my Dax. Reviews seem very positive !
 

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I use a Garmin Montana 755 with the Garmin map subscription for land ownership and more detail. The maps show most of the forest roads, including some older closed roads. The satellite emergency feature and two way satellite messaging are very convenient. The satellite tracking lets my wife track me, where-ever.
 

dmonkey

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Still impressed with the Zumo XT2 ? Considering getting one for my Dax. Reviews seem very positive !
Yes, I'm still very happy with the Zumo XT2. I use a Garmin for longer trips or when details on the map are going to be important to me, which is most of the time when I'm using a navigation device. For more leisurely around town riding I sometimes use the Beeline Moto II instead (especially on the vintage bikes) which is mostly a convenience and aesthetics choice since it just rubber-bands on. My most recent longer trip with the Garmin Zumo XT2 was on my Moto Guzzi V7, so I apologize for a bit of thread derailment for a trip report from a different bike, but it is relevant to the Garmin and a bit to the Honda Trail. I had previously used the Garmin XT (not the 2) on my V7, so the RAM-style mount I already had on the bike required slight adjustment to fit the larger screen size of the XT2 into a good position. The same mount and power connection wiring from the XT work on the XT2.

Near the end of March I rode from the Chicagoland area to the Northern Colorado Front Range over two days with no advanced route planning other than having traveled between the two areas many times before and knowing I'd overnight in Lincoln, Nebraska to visit a friend there. The first day I stuck to the interstate and it wasn't particularly exciting other than rain and seeing some flashy rigs at Iowa 80 The World's Largest Truck Stop. The second day of the trip had high winds and higher gusts, so I was more hands-on with the Garmin and used "avoid highways" to stay off I-80 and keep to back roads so I could ride slower and avoid having wind gusts push me onto the shoulder. The topographic view on the Garmin showed Nebraska Highway 23 with some hills and valleys breaking up the great plains, so I gave that a try and boy was it a beautiful ride in the rolling hills with very little other traffic, and the landscape mostly broke up the wind. That scenic detour was the highlight of the trip. One of my lessons from the trip though was a repeat lesson to not pass gas stops even on a bike with ~200 miles range. Just because there's gas stations up ahead doesn't mean there's the right fuel for any vehicle! The Goose asks for 95 R.O.N. which is 91 (R+M)/2 or "Premium" at most US pumps, and many of the back road gas stations only had 87 octane or diesel. I used to carry an emergency bottle of octane booster until I learned that their advertising is misleading and the octane points it raises your tank of gas often only work out to about 0.1 octane on the scale we see at the pump. I ended up detouring up to North Platte for fuel, a silly jaunt of riding straight north for a while instead of toward my destination, but I have stopped in North Platte enough to see the sandhill crane migrations that I knew it has full services (including premium fuel) and would be a good lunch stop anyway. Sure enough I did spot some migrating cranes! North Platte was far enough west at that time to be clear of the stronger winds so I-80 was comfortable riding again. That's a situation where using a phone GPS app that not only shows you gas stations but also what fuels they have (example: Google Maps) is advantageous over the Garmin, and that's how I determined there wasn't premium fuel close ahead on NE-23. I don't blame my lack of route planning though, as weather throws plans out the window and the high winds were why I was on back roads instead of the interstate. A takeaway from the trip that's relevant to the Honda Trail 125... sure it doesn't have ~200 miles of range, but ~100 miles is a pretty reasonable interval to find a gas station at in most of the USA and an advantage to the Trail is that all it calls for with a stock engine is Regular fuel which is easier to find than Premium. Same as when I did the reverse end to tend of this trip on the Honda Trail 125 before, I am still learning my lesson to take a break and fuel up when there's an opportunity to rather than when the tank is nearing empty.

Garmin Track Log file displayed in GpsPrune. Note that the route is right to left as I was heading west, but the "altitude" profile is left to right.
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Old Joliet Prison
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Cockpit view with the Garmin XT2. I have a 3D printed "bumper case" installed on it to protect it from drops, and there's a tether that attaches to my handlebar bag so if it were to somehow unclip from the mount (more likely that I accidentally don't clip it in all the way) it would stay with the bike.
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Colorado on the flat side and my Moto Guzzi V7 850 touring setup.
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I expect to travel between the same endpoints along a different route later this year on the Honda Trail 125, and I plan on using the Garmin XT2 for that as well.
 

Alvin A

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Yes, I'm still very happy with the Zumo XT2. I use a Garmin for longer trips or when details on the map are going to be important to me, which is most of the time when I'm using a navigation device. For more leisurely around town riding I sometimes use the Beeline Moto II instead (especially on the vintage bikes) which is mostly a convenience and aesthetics choice since it just rubber-bands on. My most recent longer trip with the Garmin Zumo XT2 was on my Moto Guzzi V7, so I apologize for a bit of thread derailment for a trip report from a different bike, but it is relevant to the Garmin and a bit to the Honda Trail. I had previously used the Garmin XT (not the 2) on my V7, so the RAM-style mount I already had on the bike required slight adjustment to fit the larger screen size of the XT2 into a good position. The same mount and power connection wiring from the XT work on the XT2.

Near the end of March I rode from the Chicagoland area to the Northern Colorado Front Range over two days with no advanced route planning other than having traveled between the two areas many times before and knowing I'd overnight in Lincoln, Nebraska to visit a friend there. The first day I stuck to the interstate and it wasn't particularly exciting other than rain and seeing some flashy rigs at Iowa 80 The World's Largest Truck Stop. The second day of the trip had high winds and higher gusts, so I was more hands-on with the Garmin and used "avoid highways" to stay off I-80 and keep to back roads so I could ride slower and avoid having wind gusts push me onto the shoulder. The topographic view on the Garmin showed Nebraska Highway 23 with some hills and valleys breaking up the great plains, so I gave that a try and boy was it a beautiful ride in the rolling hills with very little other traffic, and the landscape mostly broke up the wind. That scenic detour was the highlight of the trip. One of my lessons from the trip though was a repeat lesson to not pass gas stops even on a bike with ~200 miles range. Just because there's gas stations up ahead doesn't mean there's the right fuel for any vehicle! The Goose asks for 95 R.O.N. which is 91 (R+M)/2 or "Premium" at most US pumps, and many of the back road gas stations only had 87 octane or diesel. I used to carry an emergency bottle of octane booster until I learned that their advertising is misleading and the octane points it raises your tank of gas often only work out to about 0.1 octane on the scale we see at the pump. I ended up detouring up to North Platte for fuel, a silly jaunt of riding straight north for a while instead of toward my destination, but I have stopped in North Platte enough to see the sandhill crane migrations that I knew it has full services (including premium fuel) and would be a good lunch stop anyway. Sure enough I did spot some migrating cranes! North Platte was far enough west at that time to be clear of the stronger winds so I-80 was comfortable riding again. That's a situation where using a phone GPS app that not only shows you gas stations but also what fuels they have (example: Google Maps) is advantageous over the Garmin, and that's how I determined there wasn't premium fuel close ahead on NE-23. I don't blame my lack of route planning though, as weather throws plans out the window and the high winds were why I was on back roads instead of the interstate. A takeaway from the trip that's relevant to the Honda Trail 125... sure it doesn't have ~200 miles of range, but ~100 miles is a pretty reasonable interval to find a gas station at in most of the USA and an advantage to the Trail is that all it calls for with a stock engine is Regular fuel which is easier to find than Premium. Same as when I did the reverse end to tend of this trip on the Honda Trail 125 before, I am still learning my lesson to take a break and fuel up when there's an opportunity to rather than when the tank is nearing empty.

Garmin Track Log file displayed in GpsPrune. Note that the route is right to left as I was heading west, but the "altitude" profile is left to right.
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Old Joliet Prison
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Cockpit view with the Garmin XT2. I have a 3D printed "bumper case" installed on it to protect it from drops, and there's a tether that attaches to my handlebar bag so if it were to somehow unclip from the mount (more likely that I accidentally don't clip it in all the way) it would stay with the bike.
View attachment 11556

Colorado on the flat side and my Moto Guzzi V7 850 touring setup.
View attachment 11557

I expect to travel between the same endpoints along a different route later this year on the Honda Trail 125, and I plan on using the Garmin XT2 for that as well.
Thanks for all the info !
 

Alvin A

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I use a Garmin Montana 755 with the Garmin map subscription for land ownership and more detail. The maps show most of the forest roads, including some older closed roads. The satellite emergency feature and two way satellite messaging are very convenient. The satellite tracking lets my wife track me, where-ever.
Garmin 755 ? Can’t find it. Also, what mount are you using ? Pic ?
 

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Another vote for smartphone instead of Garmin. You can buy latest gen Android phones brand new for less than $40. They work better for my navigation purposes and are far cheaper. I don’t think it was mentioned, but Osmand is another app to look into.
 

dmonkey

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I’m going to take a hard look at the Montana 710i. I really like the InReach feature as I ride solo often.
One of the reasons I run a Garmin GPS is so that my emergency communication device stays on my body. While road touring that's my cellphone, while riding trails it's most recently been a Garmin inReach Mini 2. If you are ever unfortunate enough to be in an emergency situation or a crash, there's a chance you'll be separated from your bike which could put the bar-mounted GPS out of reach. Just something to consider.
 

Alvin A

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One of the reasons I run a Garmin GPS is so that my emergency communication device stays on my body. While road touring that's my cellphone, while riding trails it's most recently been a Garmin inReach Mini 2. If you are ever unfortunate enough to be in an emergency situation or a crash, there's a chance you'll be separated from your bike which could put the bar-mounted GPS out of reach. Just something to consider.
Good point !
 
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