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HONDA CT125 Big Bore Kit

m in sc

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^ this is spot on. the crank isn't the biggest stumble IMHO... the ecu is not compatible with the other models. far as i know, and no one is making a fuel controller for the CT125.. yet. you can run a up to a 2v 170 bbk on a stock crank no issues. the problem is the high rpm. that's when the rod breaks. Having owned quite a few BBK's for the groms, i can assure the doubters the reputable BBK makers are as good as honda quality if not better in some areas. Kitaco, takagawa, koso for example. I can attest i had as much on my old motor and upgrades as the bike cost new. I blew it up to my -own- error, the rpm limit should have been about 1000 rpm less. all on me. But it would rip. and did for many years with a 170 and 4v head and all supporting mods.
 

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You're right, I missed that. Here's hoping ARacer add support for it.
For piggy back setups the ENIGMA Type-V currently has CT125 support, DynoJet PCV support is supposed to be coming soon.
 

M.H

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CT125 uses a different crankshaft than the Grom, so AFAIK right now there isn't a forged crankshaft

fwiw there is the Honda wave 125 and xrm125 that both use the auto clutch engine and there are forged striker cranks available
 
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Hi to everyone. Just thought I'd get on here and enlighten you all a bit about the Big Bore Kit shown and the video also. I am the guy in Thailand who put the video on YouTube and used the kit shown. My name is Eddie and I've done some extensive research and trial and error on making the little Honda CT125 wake up and bark. I've now had the BBK in my bike for over a year and have 6,000 Kilometers plus on the kit, most of those Kilometers in the mountains and off road trails North of Chiang Mai. The kit I used is put together from a shop here in Chiang Mai, Thailand called iTimgarage, they have a web site, and I purchased it from an on line shopping site called Shopee.co.th You can look them up on the Internet and see what all we are offered here in Thailand to modify our bikes. Sadly though, Shopee will not allow over seas shipping of any item listed. However, there are several other manufacturers of BBK from Japan that are every bit as good or better than what I have. They are expensive though, but if you want one, that is an option. The kit consists of a stock Honda CT125 cylinder, with the sleeve removed and a Kawasaki Z125 sleeve installed. The piston used is from Art Manufacture which has been making pistons for decades and it is a Kawasaki Z125 piston. The reason for the Kawasaki parts is the piston is larger than the Honda piston, yet you maintain the Honda stroke which gives you a 142cc. The Kawasaki Z125 is Kawasaki's version of the Honda CT125 engine design they've use for decades. Both engines are bullet proof. The stock Honda CT125 fuel injector is also replaced by a Honda ADV150 fuel injector, this is where the necessary extra fuel comes from. There is no need to have the ECU re-mapped as the fuel injector handles the extra needed fuel. None of this BBK modification will increase your top speed, but enhances the low end torque needed to climb at steady speeds on mountain paved roads and off road trails. After you install the BBK, you'll need to put on a decent exhaust pipe and iTimgarage dyno specs were the best with a headpiece that is 19mm. One other item that also helps and I'd strongly advise to use is to replace the stock 39T rear sprocket with a 42T sprocket. The Honda Wave sprockets are the same as what the Honda CT125 uses, so you can get the Wave sprocket for the CT. That combination totally changes the characteristics of the CT. It makes it a very capable off road bike and still able to travel paved mountain roads and maintain speeds. Now, being a guy who really wants to know what the engine can do, especially after seeing some of the modifications the Thais have done to their small bore bikes, I had my mechanic install a Hot Cam and re-map the ECU. He went one step farther and ported the head also. The bike now not only rips, it will do 110 KPH (65MPH) and pulls throughout the entire power range. If you'd like to see how my bike and my riding buddies bikes perform, you can watch our Adventure Rides on my YouTube channel: Lazy Dog Productions Hope this helps clear up some of the questions about the BBK....
 

aiad_78

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Hi to everyone. Just thought I'd get on here and enlighten you all a bit about the Big Bore Kit shown and the video also. I am the guy in Thailand who put the video on YouTube and used the kit shown. My name is Eddie and I've done some extensive research and trial and error on making the little Honda CT125 wake up and bark. I've now had the BBK in my bike for over a year and have 6,000 Kilometers plus on the kit, most of those Kilometers in the mountains and off road trails North of Chiang Mai. The kit I used is put together from a shop here in Chiang Mai, Thailand called iTimgarage, they have a web site, and I purchased it from an on line shopping site called Shopee.co.th You can look them up on the Internet and see what all we are offered here in Thailand to modify our bikes. Sadly though, Shopee will not allow over seas shipping of any item listed. However, there are several other manufacturers of BBK from Japan that are every bit as good or better than what I have. They are expensive though, but if you want one, that is an option. The kit consists of a stock Honda CT125 cylinder, with the sleeve removed and a Kawasaki Z125 sleeve installed. The piston used is from Art Manufacture which has been making pistons for decades and it is a Kawasaki Z125 piston. The reason for the Kawasaki parts is the piston is larger than the Honda piston, yet you maintain the Honda stroke which gives you a 142cc. The Kawasaki Z125 is Kawasaki's version of the Honda CT125 engine design they've use for decades. Both engines are bullet proof. The stock Honda CT125 fuel injector is also replaced by a Honda ADV150 fuel injector, this is where the necessary extra fuel comes from. There is no need to have the ECU re-mapped as the fuel injector handles the extra needed fuel. None of this BBK modification will increase your top speed, but enhances the low end torque needed to climb at steady speeds on mountain paved roads and off road trails. After you install the BBK, you'll need to put on a decent exhaust pipe and iTimgarage dyno specs were the best with a headpiece that is 19mm. One other item that also helps and I'd strongly advise to use is to replace the stock 39T rear sprocket with a 42T sprocket. The Honda Wave sprockets are the same as what the Honda CT125 uses, so you can get the Wave sprocket for the CT. That combination totally changes the characteristics of the CT. It makes it a very capable off road bike and still able to travel paved mountain roads and maintain speeds. Now, being a guy who really wants to know what the engine can do, especially after seeing some of the modifications the Thais have done to their small bore bikes, I had my mechanic install a Hot Cam and re-map the ECU. He went one step farther and ported the head also. The bike now not only rips, it will do 110 KPH (65MPH) and pulls throughout the entire power range. If you'd like to see how my bike and my riding buddies bikes perform, you can watch our Adventure Rides on my YouTube channel: Lazy Dog Productions Hope this helps clear up some of the questions about the BBK.


Eddie,

I'm a big fan of your youtube channel. It's always informative and an easy watch. It's typically my first port of call for advice and seeing your post here made me think of this -


Seems very similar to the kit you yourself use. Any thoughts? Likewise from any other members who might be using this. Experiences, worth buying, regrets etc?

Many thanks.

Paul.
 
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Paul, this is one of the kits from Japan that I mentioned in my post. There is nothing wrong with this kit, except it does not include a fuel upgrade like I had with my kit. No problem, just order a fuel injector for a Honda ADV 150. It performs flawlessly and with the stock ECU settings, it ask for and gets the fuel it needs. Why they include a camshaft is beyond me. You don't need it unless you go for a Hot Cam which I've had installed on my engine. If that is the case, you will also need to have your ECU re-mapped to allow for the camshaft.... With the camshaft and the BBK, you will get higher top end speed, but it's not much over 60 MPH. Not a speed I'd run constant for any length of time....Hope this helps......
 

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Eddie,

I'm a big fan of your youtube channel. It's always informative and an easy watch. It's typically my first port of call for advice and seeing your post here made me think of this -


Seems very similar to the kit you yourself use. Any thoughts? Likewise from any other members who might be using this. Experiences, worth buying, regrets etc?

Many thanks.

Paul.
Hey Paul, from what I've seen, that particular kit had a issue with the sizing of the piston(?). I remember seeing @m in sc having problems with that kit.
This one is a good kit, especially for the money:

Both me and m in sc have these installed
 

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Paul, this is one of the kits from Japan that I mentioned in my post. There is nothing wrong with this kit, except it does not include a fuel upgrade like I had with my kit. No problem, just order a fuel injector for a Honda ADV 150. It performs flawlessly and with the stock ECU settings, it ask for and gets the fuel it needs. Why they include a camshaft is beyond me. You don't need it unless you go for a Hot Cam which I've had installed on my engine. If that is the case, you will also need to have your ECU re-mapped to allow for the camshaft.... With the camshaft and the BBK, you will get higher top end speed, but it's not much over 60 MPH. Not a speed I'd run constant for any length of time....Hope this helps......
Ok, I believe you are correct about the injector , as I installed one,and it works like you say. If I do not add the cam I will not need to get a fuel controller is what I was thinking based on my spark plug observations. Why would adding the cam cause me to need the fuel controller. I won't run top end for more than a few miles. ( UPHILL ).
 

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Hey Paul, from what I've seen, that particular kit had a issue with the sizing of the piston(?). I remember seeing @m in sc having problems with that kit.
This one is a good kit, especially for the money:

Both me and m in sc have these installed
Thanks for letting me know! $93?! Well they are defiantly on my purchase list. How can they do this for so cheap, but are you happy with them? Install... did you do this yourself? I'm not a mechanic but thought it might be fun to do the work myself.

Just realized I have this site bookmarked because of this interesting gearbox -

YUMINASHI 5-SPEED CLOSE MISSION ASSY. (Z125 MONKEY - MSX/GROM125 - C125 SUPER CUB) (23511-K0F-5SP)

Anybody installed one? I am thinking about it, assuming fit.
 
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Thepen

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Thanks for letting me know! $93?! Well they are defiantly on my purchase list. How can they do this for so cheap, but are you happy with them? Install... did you do this yourself? I'm not a mechanic but thought it might be fun to do the work myself, if possible.
Because even the stock parts are so cheap. That cylinder you get with the kit is literally a genuine honda cylinder thats resleeved to accept the bigger piston you get. The piston is not a Honda one but for the price looks fantastic. I did the work myself, and it also was the first time I've ever done a bbk. I just watched a couple of "how to bbk a grom and monkey" videos beforehand, since its generally the same engine :D. I'm super happy with the kit
 

aiad_78

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Paul, this is one of the kits from Japan that I mentioned in my post. There is nothing wrong with this kit, except it does not include a fuel upgrade like I had with my kit. No problem, just order a fuel injector for a Honda ADV 150. It performs flawlessly and with the stock ECU settings, it ask for and gets the fuel it needs. Why they include a camshaft is beyond me. You don't need it unless you go for a Hot Cam which I've had installed on my engine. If that is the case, you will also need to have your ECU re-mapped to allow for the camshaft.... With the camshaft and the BBK, you will get higher top end speed, but it's not much over 60 MPH. Not a speed I'd run constant for any length of time....Hope this helps......
Eddie,

Thanks for all the great the advice. That particular site offers cam and upgrade options at checkout. It gets pretty spendy.

I was under the impression ECU couldn't be remapped at this time? Another member on here recommended purchasing an EFIE device when changing the cam.

ELECTRONIC FUEL INJECTION ENHANCER (EFIE) DEVICE – Eagle-Research
 

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Hey I'm ordering a BBK.
Should I worry about the fuel map even with a bigger injector? Here is the last of stuff I wanted to order.
 

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Hey I'm ordering a BBK.
Should I worry about the fuel map even with a bigger injector? Here is the last of stuff I wanted to order.
I wouldn't do the 164 kit, without a proper fueling solution. I would go with the 143 + the 140cc injector + the efei at the minimum.( search @m in sc 's Efei guide on the forum) The 143 even with proper fueling runs decently hot compared to the stock bore, I don't want to know what the oil temps would be at the stock ecu commanded 14 Afr. (Probably touching 280- 300's ? Is my guess) the 164 would not last long in my opinion, you would really need a rich Afr + oil cooler to get decent temps to get a somewhat reliable motor on the 164.

Go yuminashi 143 + 140cc injector and efei to keep the temps down, if you have too much spare money, get the A racer mini x ecu!
 

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I like slowing down on hills and downshifting to keep going, makes me more involved with the ride. Big rigs slow on hills for years, no prob. I love 99% of the trail. Not the seat.
 

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Because even the stock parts are so cheap. That cylinder you get with the kit is literally a genuine honda cylinder thats resleeved to accept the bigger piston you get. The piston is not a Honda one but for the price looks fantastic. I did the work myself, and it also was the first time I've ever done a bbk. I just watched a couple of "how to bbk a grom and monkey" videos beforehand, since its generally the same engine :D. I'm super happy with the kit
This was my plan too, glad to hear it's do-able. How long did it take?
 

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I wouldn't do the 164 kit, without a proper fueling solution. I would go with the 143 + the 140cc injector + the efei at the minimum.( search @m in sc 's Efei guide on the forum) The 143 even with proper fueling runs decently hot compared to the stock bore, I don't want to know what the oil temps would be at the stock ecu commanded 14 Afr. (Probably touching 280- 300's ? Is my guess) the 164 would not last long in my opinion, you would really need a rich Afr + oil cooler to get decent temps to get a somewhat reliable motor on the 164.

Go yuminashi 143 + 140cc injector and efei to keep the temps down, if you have too much spare money, get the A racer mini x ecu!
What about an oil cooler to keep things in check?
 

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I don't know a good one that fits the ct 125 without extra modifications. I tried the Morin oil cooler, which bolts the "inlet" of oil from the left lower head-stud, but unfortunately that port has very small pressure and it wouldn't circulate the oil. You could maybe do the Oil cooler + kitaco side cover thingy with the filter and oil ports, but I don't know if it fits and even if so, you'd most likely loose the kickstarter. I thought about doing a custom oil port on the regular oil drain bolt with an external oil pump to pump it to the cooler, but I couldn't find a decently small oil pump to do that.
 

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you'll need a cylinder with an oil cooler port. something like this:



smallest one ive seen is a 164. ive run these on groms, work great. however, 125/143 doesn't create enough heat to warrant one IMHO .02
 
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