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Eddie,

Thanks for all the great the advice. That particular site offers cam and upgrade options at checkout. It gets pretty spendy.

I was under the impression ECU couldn't be remapped at this time? Another member on here recommended purchasing an EFIE device when changing the cam.

ELECTRONIC FUEL INJECTION ENHANCER (EFIE) DEVICE – Eagle-Research
The little hop-up shops here in Thailand have been doing some miraculous things to this little engine design for decades, yes decades as this engine design has been here since Honda introduced the Cub over 50 years ago. Now that they have also been fuel injected for over a decade, the hop-up guys have had lots of experience experimenting with everything about this engine design, including re-mapping the ECU. Had to take my bike to a special shop here in Chiang Mai to have it done but the cost was around $65 US and it literally rips now..... So, yes, you can re-map the ECU.
 
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What about an oil cooler to keep things in check?
The question about over heating with the BBK has come up on this site as well las in the comments sections to my videos on YouTube. I originally had no plans to do a temperature gauge or the oil cooler since I've never had any problems with the BBK on my bike. However, I've also gone a step further with the Hot Cam and the porting work on the head. Now that I've managed to find a few mountain trails and off road sections that really test the engine and keeps it under a load for extended times at slow speeds, I've decided to go with the cooler. First off, I've ordered a temp gauge for my bike and it should show up today. I'm going to run it for a week and see what kind of temperatures it hits in different types of terrain. If it doesn't get to hot, I'll probably not get the oil cooler, but if it runs close to being to hot, I'm ordering the oil cooler and installing it and do the runs again to see the differences. I'll be posting all this in videos on my YouTube channel and I'll post on here with some results also.....
 

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The little hop-up shops here in Thailand have been doing some miraculous things to this little engine design for decades, yes decades as this engine design has been here since Honda introduced the Cub over 50 years ago. Now that they have also been fuel injected for over a decade, the hop-up guys have had lots of experience experimenting with everything about this engine design, including re-mapping the ECU. Had to take my bike to a special shop here in Chiang Mai to have it done but the cost was around $65 US and it literally rips now..... So, yes, you can re-map the ECU.
I lived in Thailand and Malaysia for a short time 20 years ago. You are spoiled by having their technical ingenuity so close to hand.

Can I send you a pm? No weirdness, I promise! Just have some q's on mods you've done I have on order. If that's OK?
 
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I lived in Thailand and Malaysia for a short time 20 years ago. You are spoiled by having their technical ingenuity so close to hand.

Can I send you a pm? No weirdness, I promise! Just have some q's on mods you've done I have on order. If that's OK?
Yes you can send me a message on Facebook. Here is my Facebook name: Eddie Bright and the page picture is of an all silver Thai Temple with a circle picture in the middle of it with me racing my quad getting ready to hit a water hole.... Looking forward to try and answer your questions......
 

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Yes you can send me a message on Facebook. Here is my Facebook name: Eddie Bright and the page picture is of an all silver Thai Temple with a circle picture in the middle of it with me racing my quad getting ready to hit a water hole.... Looking forward to try and answer your questions......
Thank you! Was going to message you on here.
 

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The little hop-up shops here in Thailand have been doing some miraculous things to this little engine design for decades, yes decades as this engine design has been here since Honda introduced the Cub over 50 years ago. Now that they have also been fuel injected for over a decade, the hop-up guys have had lots of experience experimenting with everything about this engine design, including re-mapping the ECU. Had to take my bike to a special shop here in Chiang Mai to have it done but the cost was around $65 US and it literally rips now..... So, yes, you can re-map the ECU.
which version of the ecm? theres 2. us versions have these (see below, the 't' and 'g pic"). some of the rest of the world had the older style. (black one).

IF they can do the grey 'new' style.. thats a big deal. no one here can do it.
 

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which version of the ecm? theres 2. us versions have these (see below, the 't' and 'g pic"). some of the rest of the world had the older style. (black one).

IF they can do the grey 'new' style.. thats a big deal. no one here can do it.
Let me check to see which one we have here, I'm not sure as they did all of the ECU work away from where I was at. However, I did get what looks like maybe the original ECU back from them when they sent me all the old parts back with the bike completed. Maybe they can't re-map the ECU and they used one from the Monkey or Wave. I'll look tomorrow and get back on here with it, close to my bedtime now, yea, 10:30 PM here..... Us old farts need our beauty sleep. Me I just need to push the Lazy Dog onto her side of the bed so I can have my side...... ;-)
 
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It's about time I did an update on installing a BBK on the Honda CT125. There are three of us here in Chiang Mai, Thailand that ride the Honda CT125 around the mountainous area of Chiang Mai. We stretch the limits of what this bike can and cannot do. Currently, all three of us have installed the iTimgarage BBK on our bikes. Until recently, my bike was the only one with even more mods on it than a BBK and a larger fuel injector (one for a Honda ADV150). However, both of the other two bikes had an issue with low speed engine knocks during high stress on the engine. In other words, climbing terrain either off road or up steep mountain paved roads. We noticed this problem a year ago and have been working on fixing it to stop the engine knock and in extreme instances, a loss of power while climbing steep terrain. We originally thought it was do to a improper adjustment on the exhaust valve. This was eventually proven not to be the case. A trip to iTimgarage to have them install diagnostic equipment on the bike to help solve this issue found that: (with the higher compression created by the larger piston and sleeve and the stock head was causing a pre-ignition detonation of the fuel. Basically called an engine knock. I had not thought of this with mine as I had a video from my local mechanic that did the hop-up work on my bike showing my BBK sleeved cylinder and the stock head and him saying something in Thai that I didn't understand, but I gave him a double thumbs up on my text reply to him. Not knowing what he was saying was a god send as he then Ported my stock head, a complete port job with the combustion chamber, air intake with even installing a larger butterfly valve in the stock air throttle body valve as well as proving the exhaust port, the injector port and then installing a Hot Cam. The outcome was amazing as now my bike will easily go over 115 KPH and pulls like a John Deere tractor. It also has loads of low end power to go with the 42T rear sprocket and the stock 14T countershaft sprocket. We went another step up and installed an SKA air filter (similar to a K&N) which has the ability to be cleaned and reused with a NK Racing SS air intake horn. All of these mods set me back a cool 8,000 Thai Baht, roughly $210 US at current exchange rates. Here is the thing, I had not thought about the fuel being to high of Octane for the amount of compression we all had with the BBK installed until Robert took his bike to iTimgarage for them to hook up to their diagnostic equipment. They told him to drop his fuel Octane down to see if that would stop the engine knock. He did as instructed and found he did not have near the engine knock as he had before so he set up an appointment to have his bike back at iTimgarage for a Cam, Head Porting and change the stock ECU to a programmable one. They used a Honda Wave ECU on his and I believe my Hop-up shop guys used a Monkey ECU on mine. We have taken Roberts bike on two tough rides since then and have had no issues with the engine knock since iTimgarage did the work on his engine. So, if any of you are wanting more top end speed and or more low end power, don't stop with just a BBK, go ahead and have the Cam changed out, port the head and have an ECU that can be remapped installed. It has taken us a year to get everything down that works and I'm glad to pass along to you all what we have learned. iTimgarage also told us that even with their BBK, there was a lot of the Honda Wave owners that had the engine knock with their bikes. Some just going to a lower Octane fuel solved the problem, some ended up having their heads ported and most of them still went with the camshaft and remapping their ECU. Hope this helps clear up some issues and thinking on the BBK, ECU, Camshaft and Porting that you all have.... We have been doing a lot of riding and testing the bikes this past two months to get these results so if you would, check out my YouTube channel at: Lazy Dog Productions Our last hold out on the porting job, Daniel, has had iTimgarage order all the parts needed to do the work on his bike and will be taking it in on Tuesday, Oct. 1, 2022 to have the work done and is expected to get it back on Friday Oct. 4, 2022. We'll be doing a video after a test ride with Daniel, Robert and myself explaining what our process was to get where we are today...... Hope this helps you all out.....
 

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what version of the ecu? is it for sure the older style w the female plug? the octane thing makes zero sense, i would bet they modified the 'squish' or 'quench' area in the head.
 

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FWIW, the newer Honda Wave 125i (LED version, 2020+?) and latest high compression Grom/Monkey (2022+) have the same style of PGM-FI unit as the CT125 with a male PCB connection mostly full of contacts. Their part numbers all vary based on bike and geographical region though, so a Thai PGM-FI unit is going to be different than a USA one, but possibly only because of which ROM is flashed to it.

It's good news for those of us with the CT125 in the USA because with the Grom being Honda's top selling street bike, that popularity has already brought support for reflashes and aftermarket fuel controllers for the new Grom, so if those companies want to expand their offering it should be easy to do so for the CT125 (which is a small niche next to Grom sales).
 
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in contact with some people int he us, the grom ecm and the trail one are indeed different, heck, the pin count is for sure.. i know, i bought a grom ecm. while it plugs in, and runs, it throws a CEL light. the people ive talked to in the us say the ct125 and super cub use a map sensor (that non semi automatics dont have) and that part of the programming in the ecm is one they cant crack. yet.

they they tried selling me an aracer standalone and autotune for 700 bucks. I mean, i'm not -that- interested in doing that to this bike, at that cost. I have others projects for that.. but, it it were a pop in flashed stock ecm for a trail, id be all over it at a bit less cost. I just don't think there's enough incentive for them to crack the trail/supercub units. .
 

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That would explain the Wave ECU being used. It doesn't have the same contact/pin count, but it is for a semi automatic. Some newer aftermarket standalone ECUs have the full spread of contacts/pins.
 

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Those are for the old Wave 125i. The new LED one's ECU similar to the CT125's is 38770-K73-T61 , it is available on other regional versions of the Webike site, might still be too new for Japan though the Wave 125i LED is for sale in Japan.

Edit: Webike Japan does list the Thai one: https://japan.webike.net/products/24823544.html
 
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thats a stock ecm. nothing aftermarket so... will have same issues domestically getting flashed. thats my point. Unless somebody is willing to buy one and plug it in, i doubt theres any benefit. I could be wrong... but im not going to buy another ecm to sit in the pile.
 

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Yep, domestically probably still have to wait. A new ECU flashed from SEA is inexpensive though. And if the Wave 125i LED aftermarket ECUs do work with the CT125, they're a lot cheaper than the $445 ARACER RC Mini X (which is available for both ECU connection types on the CT125). I'm waiting for their support to confirm if it works with the CT125, asked after seeing Callum from Small Bike Stuff's review of it on his Wave125i
He has an older Wave 125i with the old connection, but they sell a new one for the LED as well with the new connection
 

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Right, also not necessary if you were to load an appropriate map for your mods (not many available yet), have access to a dyno w/ a standalone wideband o2 monitor, or want to pay for tuning time as an alternative. Full Stand Next ECU is ~$120 USD + shipping, so will be interesting to hear if they support the CT125.
 
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