FizzBuzz3000
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I would only really buy this just for the clock, and the looks of it. The position indicator is just a side bonus.
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New Grom meter vs OPMID
- Thread starter bt619
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Well you were lucky. My gear indicator was supposed to have arrived, but is now backordered unto April. I have never had a gear indicator on any bike in 40 years of riding. The clock would be useful and It seemed like an interesting trinket as I get used to the Japanese shift setup where you can shift up directly from 4th to N while stopping.
vintagegarage
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Drat.. we were counting on you to provide the details of how it is connected to your 2025 Japan market CT125. It would be most helpful anyway if you could inspect your wiring harness and figure out especially where the three single wire bullet connectors on the clock/indicator connect. I haven't yet started studying the wiring diagrams or the neutral switch on anything so I should keep quiet. Again, without any study, I was expecting that a Kitaco or other brand of position sensor would have to be installed to sense the shifter position. After looking at the wiring diagram for the USA JA55, it looks like only one wire comes out of the neutral sensor, while on the USA JA65, it looks like five wires come out of the neutral sensor but only one is passed to the main harness. I don't yet have the wiring diagram for the USA Dax 125, but I can see the sensor without removing any parts and see a bunch of wires (probably 5) coming out of the neutral sensor. I do not know how many are passed to the main harness. Without a wiring diagram, I will have to take a few things off to get to the connector to see.
This link has some pictures of the parts in the Kitaco set. I can see a shift position sensor, and now think that that sensor is only needed for the JA55, but I am not sure about that.
https://japan.webike.net/magazine/parts/kitaco-gear-position-indicators/
I was thinking that if I can't figure it out, or I reach a dead end, that I would send it to dmonkey if he wants to try to get it working on his USA JA55. If he doesn't feel like messing with it, or thinks it is hopeless, then my next plan would be to send it to you in Japan. I think I'll have figured it out or reached a dead end before the first of the year.
Is it backordered at your local Honda dealer, or were you getting it from Webike? Webike told me it was backordered until Spring and it showed up here two weeks later.
I think with the rotary shift setup, the gear indicator may be helpful. I remember that Eddie of Lazy Dog productions installed one on his El Diablo CT125 which had that rotary setup. He pointed it out to me as I was getting ready to ride it, but frankly, I was just trying not to crash and didn't have focus enough to watch it operate. I just had my eyes on the road ahead. It may have been important when stopping on an uphill, and then getting to first quickly to continue, but I am not sure about that.
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My findings have been that the JA55 model bikes came with either a gear position switch assembly with part number 35759-K2E-J01 (USA, Australia, Japan) or 35759-K2E-T01 (Thailand, Indonesia). One of these has only a single contact point for Neutral (USA), while pictures of the other one online appear to have 5 contact points for N-1-2-3-4 but perhaps not enough wires to the plug end to make use of them. I've only seen the USA market sensor on my bike in person (which has 1 contact), so I'm only speculating, but to me it seems that none of the JA55s came with a sensor that can be used for detecting all of the gear positions. Why is it a different part for some markets than others? My first thought was because of the two different shift patterns, but because the USA/AUS and JP all list the same part number yet have a different shift pattern, my theory is that one is only used to displaying the Neutral indicator light (Thailand, Indonesia) vs the other being used as a neutral safety switch feature which kills the engine if the sidestand is deployed and the bike is NOT in neutral (USA, Australia, Japan). This seems to match up with which regional parts catalogs list a kill switch on the sidestand vs which ones do not.
Now for the JA65 bikes, everything I have found for various regions and years indicate that they use P/N: 35759-K2E-T11, including the latest JP 2025MY. If I search for images of this part online, it has 5 contacts AND a 6P connector with 1 unused pin. If that's accurate, then I believe all JA65 models came equipped with a sensor that could read all the stock gear positions, though the wiring harness that it plugs into may only make use of the single Neutral position until you add this clock & gear indicator accessory. If anyone would like to check their JA65 to confirm the 5 contacts and/or 5 pins on a 6P connector, that would be helpful information to others with a JA65, and for potentially retrofitting the JA65 sensor to the JA55.
Pics of the JA65 sensor/contact assembly from a Lazada listing on the web:
Webike has shipped my order of the OEM JP market gear position sensor & clock, and Monkey wiring harness adapter, and it's en route to Narita International Airport right now, and I wish I were too.
Now for the JA65 bikes, everything I have found for various regions and years indicate that they use P/N: 35759-K2E-T11, including the latest JP 2025MY. If I search for images of this part online, it has 5 contacts AND a 6P connector with 1 unused pin. If that's accurate, then I believe all JA65 models came equipped with a sensor that could read all the stock gear positions, though the wiring harness that it plugs into may only make use of the single Neutral position until you add this clock & gear indicator accessory. If anyone would like to check their JA65 to confirm the 5 contacts and/or 5 pins on a 6P connector, that would be helpful information to others with a JA65, and for potentially retrofitting the JA65 sensor to the JA55.
Pics of the JA65 sensor/contact assembly from a Lazada listing on the web:
Webike has shipped my order of the OEM JP market gear position sensor & clock, and Monkey wiring harness adapter, and it's en route to Narita International Airport right now, and I wish I were too.
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vintagegarage
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dmonkey, That is very helpful. It gives me hope that at a minimum, I will be able to install the clock/indicator on a USA JA55 if I can't figure out how to do it on the USA Dax by following your findings. I have not taken apart a JA65 to confirm what the wiring diagram shows:
USA JA55:
USA JA65:
2022 Honda USA Monkey with 5/speed:
USA JA55:
USA JA65:
2022 Honda USA Monkey with 5/speed:
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@vintagegarage I can still open up the front and look at the wiring. I am not sure it helps, but I did find a Honda Dream shop with the install kit listed for Monkey and Dax. Kit comes with a harness, the sensor and a few zip ties.
2022YM Monkey 125: JB03-1000001~
Clock & Gear Position Meter Mounting Attachment
08E10-K0F-J70 Installation time 0.6 hours
2023YM DAX125：JB04-1000001～
Clock & Gear Position Meter Mounting Attachment
08E10-K2W-J10, Installation time 1.2 hours
@dmonkey I think you are correct. In the video I linked, the guy says that the JA65 already has the correct sensor and JA55 has the single contact sensor.
2022YM Monkey 125: JB03-1000001~
Clock & Gear Position Meter Mounting Attachment
08E10-K0F-J70 Installation time 0.6 hours
2023YM DAX125：JB04-1000001～
Clock & Gear Position Meter Mounting Attachment
08E10-K2W-J10, Installation time 1.2 hours
@dmonkey I think you are correct. In the video I linked, the guy says that the JA65 already has the correct sensor and JA55 has the single contact sensor.
@vintagegarage I got the gear indicator/clock installed. Connector was on the harness and ready to use. Fairly straight forward. I hope this helps. The new gauge is about 50% brighter than the speedometer. Slightly annoying, but easier to see in the daylight.
vintagegarage
Well-known member
Thanks.. very helpful.
Chad25Monkey
New member
Here are photos of my U.S. spec 2025 Monkey. No extra connector on the harness.
Bermuda Trails
Member
Hi mate,
what part number did you order for your setup? I am going to do the same on mine (2025 model)
what I can gather is I don’t need the wiring loom, just the main part 08E70-K0F-JF0.
is that correct?
Cheers
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08E70-K0F-JF0 is the part number that was ordered. That is the part number from the Honda accessory catalog.
Bermuda Trails
Member
cheers buddy, yep that was the one i ordered
Thanks
I had this on order from Webike then canceled it, hoping to find more info on if it will work on my 2025 US Dax 125. Dealer has no info on this so thanks to you and all that are posting info. Not sure if I need a harness or not, hard to tell. Let me know if you want any headlight internal pics of mine.
vintagegarage
Well-known member
I can update this, since USA Dax 125's arrived in the USA a few months ago. I don't see any provision for the gear indicator/clock in the wiring harness. Now I'm waiting to see a USA Trail 125 before I throw the piece in the junk pile.
I'm optimistic that it will work, probably with a yet to be identified wiring harness. Sur wish there was some factory support since the dealers don't know anything, oh well.....
Bermuda Trails
Member
Guess what just landed on my desk? yes that is correct the display (08E70-K0F-JF0) I plan to install it this weekend on my JA65 (Thai model). I will let you all know how it goes
Bermuda Trails
Member
Well this is slightly annoying. No extra plug on my Thai 2025 CT. Is there a chance it’s tucked in the main loom somewhere? Guess now the only option is to hope Some sort of loom adapter comes out?
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Bermuda Trails
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Hopefully this is the case.
Bermuda Trails
Member
Looks like we may need a new loom. No plug on mine.
vintagegarage
Well-known member
It is frustrating to me that I don't have one so I can tell you facts instead of guessing. Scrolling back to the photos from bt619, I think bt619 might have found the connectors inside the meter housing on his Japan market 2025 CT125. I am guessing that if you have the connectors, they are inside the meter, not inside the headlight. I will also guess that you won't find the connectors inside the meter though.
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